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Expectations adjusted…instead of a Tri-motor, will settle for a 340mi dual. Range extender might have been ok, without the loss of vault space.
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at least, I would bet that after the initial demand that demand will be less than 100 k at these prices. Ask Rivian.
I just checked Rivian, and they start at $73k/mo. Not that far off...and I think CT is way cooler anyway
 

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It’s not a bad idea, In terms of ID’ing potential available space within the envelope of the truck.

But, if the Tesla-approved reviewer specs are to be believed, driving with the tonneau open (or in your case, absent) has a 10% range hit. That’d do considerable work against the range added by the pack.

Your suggestion of a fabric Replacement for the tonneau in this scenario, I suppose, would be a patch. But I’m not sure how a fabric tonneau would work in this truck.
It would use the same guides as the hard tonneau and the roll would sit underneath the overhang. It could still be automatic too. It looks good in my minds eye anyway.
 

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Has anyone heard anything about the onboard charger? Is it stuck at 11.5kw?
 

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Instead it's priced like a Raptor and has pricey accessories for the hobbyist and city poser.

I still want one, I just hoped it stayed as a truck most think is ugly and had the pure intention of being a working class hero truck.
I thought because of the high reservation backlog Tesla would try to price it as low as they thought they could get it in the next 2 years so all reservationists were paying the same price, even if it was a bit higher than originally anticipated. I was wrong on their strategy. I expected the dual motor to come in at least $10K below the estimated pricing they just announced. I was 100% wrong.

Instead, it looks like they will price it at a high but compelling price (relative to other EV trucks and high-end gas models), even though that's too high of a price to sell in truly high volumes. Then, as they refine the production process, and tweak the vehicle to make it faster to build, they will gradually lower the price, increasing the size of their addressable market. They will also probably expand sales to Europe and China within a year or two (at most) to slow the rate at which they have to lower the price to continue to ramping production higher. As long as things are going well, they will add production lines and continue to lower prices, significantly eroding sales of ICE pickups and SUV's.

This ramp will be slower than I expected. I think the current economic conditions and unknowns are the impetus behind the slower than anticipated ramp. Also, if there is an expensive but undiscovered flaw with the Cybertruck, Tesla wants to discover it before they have shoved a half million out the door.

The good news for those currently priced out of the market is that the Cybertruck will continue to improve and become more refined as it is simultaneously made less expensive to build in ever increasing volumes. The primary losers here, beyond the delay imposed upon those who are currently priced out of the market, are those who are priced out of the market and only wanted a Cybertruck to be cool, because they wanted a truck that no one else had. By the time the Cybertruck sheds $15K, they will probably be a fairly familiar sight.

I'm a little bit of a loser here, not because I was at least $10K wrong on the release pricing, but because I only wanted to be driving a unicorn that stood out for as short a period as possible. I have no desire to stand out or be noticed. Now it's looking more and more like a Cybertruck will stand out for at least a couple more years, at least in any area that is not California and that is not a very pleasing thought to me. I'll live with it, but I really was looking forward to the radical design becoming normalized a bit more quickly. I win in that I will probably get my truck a bit sooner than expected, even with a bit slower than expected ramp, and even if I will be paying more than expected.

Oh well, I've always known that, in this life, I either have to do it myself, or be dependent on others timelines. I'm just glad someone decided to do it at all! It really is pretty amazing what the Cybertruck Team has created here! While there is no 500+ mile tri-motor, the dual motor is better than expected in multiple significant ways (like rear wheel steering, steer by wire (for it's highly variable steering ratio), and 1,000 lbs. more towing capacity) and only worse in ways that are less important to me (like lack of compressed air port and integrated ramp and 1,000 lbs. less cargo capacity).
 


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Not many people need 17" of ride clearance.
Not many people need 2500# payload, or
11k# towing, or
470 mile range, or
blah blah blah, or
yada yada yada, or
this feature, or
that feature, or...

People don't just buy what they NEED, they buy what they WANT.
 

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If you go to a restaurant and are told that your table will be ready in 45 minutes, then get seated in 30, you are DELIGHTED. But if you're told it'll be 15 minutes and it takes 20, you are PISSED!!!

Setting expectations is a strategy. Elon needed to hit it out of the park back in 2019 to keep people from jumping to the faster competition (reverse Osborne Effect) the intervening years, helped by inflation, allowed Tesla to temper expectations, and demand.

It's actually a bad thing to have an excessive number of reservations with a very long lead time. It may seem great to have a 5 year backlog, but that's a LOT of people getting quietly perturbed at the prospect of a long wait.

Long waits also have to contend with uncertainty in the future of inflation and supply chain problems. Suggesting to people what they'll have to pay years in the future is fraught with risk. Entice them with low prices and you'll reap the whirlwind with even modest increases. But if budget minded customers anticipate $60k for a 2-wheel drive truck in 2023 that only costs them $55k in 2025, they'll be ecstatic to pay $15k more than what was teased to them in 2019.

Unless having $100 tied up in a deposit creates a financial hardship, I would caution any reservation holders from cancelling right now based on what they think a CyberTruck will cost 2-3 years from now. I suspect that the price will be much different than today's price*.

*I'm 80% convinced it will be lower**

**that's 20% sure it'll be higher ?
 

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Prices are very close to where I predicted.

Those people that thought it would be cheaper, sorry, you let hope cloud logic.

$79,990 for a 340 mile range version is going to be the top seller, and that price and range compares favorably to a Lightning and a Rivian. Not sure why Tesla foiboys thought Tesla could bend physics and have tons more range, for less money.

Now I want for that email that it is time to finalize my order!
So you’re saying Tesla lied to people for the initial reveal?
 

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I thought because of the high reservation backlog Tesla would try to price it as low as they thought they could get it in the next 2 years so all reservationists were paying the same price, even if it was a bit higher than originally anticipated. I was wrong on their strategy.
Wow. The most humble and down to earth assessment of the situation I have seen you write here Mike. I completely agree with the pricing. I also thought their prices wouldn't be that high. But I also think that it is likely that by the time we are getting our CT's, it won't be the same price. I suppose that is something out of our control.

But on the subjects of specs, I'm pretty much over the moon with the choices they made. V2X, diff locks, SbW, more range on the DM...The DM is the clear value for money winner overall, and probably the fastest one to the masses in production.

But hey did you see the rear panel SS skins adding up to 25% of the torsional rigidity of the bed area quote? Not quite a full exoskeleton, but at least the skin on those rear fender is doing "something". A bit more percentage than I thought, but that rear fender was the only place the exoskeleton made sense to me, where it would work to put it in a load path. It has a whole interior panel to dissipate the load over the connection points, and also uses the bedside internal panel as well. Only "up to" 1.8mm thick as well now, which means it's dropped a few hundred pounds in total in those new skinny jeans.

But don't forget we still have boat mode coming!! They can even use the range extender connection to drive that trolling motor now! lol. ;)
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