CyberTruck charge speeds at 350kW Electrify America/EVGo stations??

[webspeedracer]

Are you getting about 50% range loss when towing with the X? My 20' cargo trailer isn't that heavy, but it's very blockish. It pushes a lot of air, so not going to be great on range.

Yes roughly half the range with VERY gentle throttle, and my Oliver Elite I camper is reasonably aero-efficient, narrow profile. What kills my range is the underbody and the solar/hvac on the roof. I typically need to stop at every Supercharger here in the Rocky Mtn West, and charge to 95%, drive to 5%. The block shape is what will kill your range, v-nose or not. Many studies out there showing the box-rear creates tremendous drag.

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[WormtownKris]

Not to go off topic, but since we are discussing charging speeds, it seems that the mobile charger speeds will be slower than other Teslas? Our Model 3 gets 44- 45 miles of recharge per hour on the Tesla wall charger. On a 3-prong outlet we get 5 mph. Per the CT order page, those numbers are 28 mph on the wall charger and 3 mph recharge rate on a 3-prong outlet. This might be an ignorant question, but is that correct that the CT will be slower to charge at home than its smaller siblings?

 

[Alan]

The kw charging speed will The same. The ct uses more kw per mile.

 

[SolarWizard]

Are you getting about 50% range loss when towing with the X? My 20' cargo trailer isn't that heavy, but it's very blockish. It pushes a lot of air, so not going to be great on range.

I have very likely the most towing experience around here pulling trailers with electric trucks.

if your trailer is aero nosed, expect a 50-55% reduction unless its below 40* and then it’ll be worse. If its a traditional box, add 10-15% to that reduction depending on the fenders of the trailer.
Also on your trips you’ll want to charging at 5-15% (spacing dependent) and stopping by 85% unless its where you are stopping for the night. This is because the charging rate falls off a cliff around 80% and its already a lot slower at 80% than it is at 70%. Assuming a properly preconditioned battery, the actual peak charging rate will be near the bottom of the SOC and up to 50%
additionally, the range extender will almost surely not be charging at the same time as the main battery, so its going to have its own curve. Same thing here, 5% to 85% unless stopping for the day.

Napkin math on road trips:
340 mi range x 80% (assuming you go 5% to 85% every time) = 272 miles. Whenever the range extender arrives thats an additional 104 miles. 376 miles x 50% for aero trailer and behaving winds & terrain = 188 miles if the stars align on your charger locations.

You can expect a minimum of 4 charging stops at an estimated 75 minutes and up to 7 really depending on so many real world variables that can’t be predicted

 

[Gigahorse]

With the range coming in WAY short of 500, if the charge speeds don't hit close to 350kw towing with these further than a short trip across town will be a nightmare given the lack of pull through chargers etc.

 

[SolarWizard]

Not to go off topic, but since we are discussing charging speeds, it seems that the mobile charger speeds will be slower than other Teslas? Our Model 3 gets 44- 45 miles of recharge per hour on the Tesla wall charger. On a 3-prong outlet we get 5 mph. Per the CT order page, those numbers are 28 mph on the wall charger and 3 mph recharge rate on a 3-prong outlet. This might be an ignorant question, but is that correct that the CT will be slower to charge at home than its smaller siblings?

Thats on topic imo.
This is correct. The CT is~ 40% less efficient so the range added per hour is a lot less.

 

[webspeedracer]

Thanks for the reply, that makes me feel a little better. I'm hoping the CyberTruck should get double the power, as it should be charging on 800V vs 400V on your Model X. I guess only a real world test will let us know. Definately sounds like the adapter will be the limiting factor. I've been watching a few YouTube videos and a few people have reached 225kW or so with the adapter on the X. It's weird that people are getting different numbers. I wonder if the software in the charging station is limiting it to 150kW on some chargers??

Don’t like to disappoint, but I don’t think the CT will get 800V charge speeds at CCS1 DCfast chargers, think they’ll be limited to ~150kW (800V x 200A). I’d love to be wrong about this, and maybe an electrical engineer on this site can weigh in. All indications are that the CCS1 adapter and the Magic Dock CCS1-NACS adapters are limited to 150kW.
However, I’m really excited about V4 SCs capability for our CTs, and hoping Tesla SC team ensures tow-through stalls at new locations. This was the differentiating factor over the Max Pack R1T, for me, when tesla disappointed with the 340-mile CT (I reserved explicitly for the 500-mile version). And yes I reserved the Range Extended Pack, but nervous about how much space it consumes in the bed.

 

[paulwesterberg]

The CCS adapter is rated at 250kW per Tesla's product page:

https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter

So the Cybertruck still won't get 350kW at an Electrify America location but 250kW is great if the alternative is a 150kW V2 Superchargrer.

 

[scottf200]

With the range coming in WAY short of 500, if the charge speeds don't hit close to 350kw towing with these further than a short trip across town will be a nightmare given the lack of pull through chargers etc.

Electric Jacks for trailers seem like they will be key here!!

NOTE: many people are reporting that the 12v aux for charging batteries on trailers are not working (yet) on the 7-pins of some Tesla ... heard about this on a Y and X I think. Wierd oversight.

 

[Gigahorse]

Electric Jacks for trailers seem like they will be key here!!

NOTE: many people are reporting that the 12v aux for charging batteries on trailers are not working (yet) on the 7-pins of some Tesla ... heard about this on a Y and X I think. Wierd oversight.

Yup if the true range of the CT AWD is 180 miles then down to 90 when towing the aftermarket is going to sell a ton of electric trailer jacks and trailer locks for CT owners having to constantly unhitch and ditch their trailers to charge.

 

[Woodrick]

Electric Jacks for trailers seem like they will be key here!!

NOTE: many people are reporting that the 12v aux for charging batteries on trailers are not working (yet) on the 7-pins of some Tesla ... heard about this on a Y and X I think. Wierd oversight.

You must have never hauled a large trailer before. Jacking is generally the easiest part.

• On a large trailer:
• Disconnect the plug
• Drop the safety chains
• Drop the load leveler/ weight distribution bars
• Disconnect the sway control

On my boat trailer, just getting the safety chains off meant getting on the ground. The Model Y hides those things in might cramped quarters.

 

[Woodrick]

Yup if the true range of the CT AWD is 180 miles then down to 90 when towing the aftermarket is going to sell a ton of electric trailer jacks and trailer locks for CT owners having to constantly unhitch and ditch their trailers to charge.

There is so much speculation in this statement. That I don't believe that the answer is really relevant yet.

My Model Y dropped to about 75 miles, mostly because of the terrible aerodynamics that my boat has. I've heard of other heavier trailers that do a lot better. But even then, we made the trip from above Atlanta to Tampa and back.

And "the true range of the CT AWD is 180 miles" that's just a YouTuber getting views and naysayers repeating it.

 

[Gigahorse]

There is so much speculation in this statement. That I don't believe that the answer is really relevant yet.

My Model Y dropped to about 75 miles, mostly because of the terrible aerodynamics that my boat has. I've heard of other heavier trailers that do a lot better. But even then, we made the trip from above Atlanta to Tampa and back.

And "the true range of the CT AWD is 180 miles" that's just a YouTuber getting views and naysayers repeating it.

Towing range is to be seen.
As far as the CT AWD getting sub 190 there have been 3 people who have posted range and efficiency numbers, and they all average under 200 miles of real world range. So until SOMETHING else comes out data wise that looks concerning.

 

[scottf200]

You must have never hauled a large trailer before. Jacking is generally the easiest part.

• On a large trailer:
• Disconnect the plug
• Drop the safety chains
• Drop the load leveler/ weight distribution bars
• Disconnect the sway control

On my boat trailer, just getting the safety chains off meant getting on the ground. The Model Y hides those things in might cramped quarters.

Well I used to pull our family camper with a Ford Expedition and I did have a hand crank. Had to do all those bullet points. Not a big deal at the beginning and ending of the camping BUT to do it 3-4 times per day would get old.

 

[SentinelOne]

Well I used to pull our family camper with a Ford Expedition and I did have a hand crank. Had to do all those bullet points. Not a big deal at the beginning and ending of the camping BUT to do it 3-4 times per day would get old.

yeah, I have an elec trailer jack, but you still have to do all the steps listed and it's a total pain in ass I have no intention of doing it multiple times to go camping...

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