WTH is Tesla doing....

[SparkChaser]

agreed - all the bleating so far seems to be folks expecting that somehow Tesla would launch a $39k truck with AWD and 500 miles range, all while conveniently missing that not one of the low end any car meets the top end specs. The whole market has moved on and upmarket, but so many folks expect Tesla to stick to predictions from four years ago - and they get annoyed that reality doesn't meet unrealistic expectations. Even better, the specs for the RWD have yet to be set -and still folks are angry.
Personally, the real world is alive and well

That in not really the problem as I see it.
The original promise was :
$40k truck with 250 mile range,
$50k with 350 range
$70k with a 500 range.

While time has passed, and prices have gone up it seems like a bit of bait and switch. The value is there and some of the things that have developed over time have made it a pretty enticing choice. I have to admit it will be a stretch for me to be able to afford the AWD dual motor. I am happy with the range but the $20 increase is hard to swallow.

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[HaulingAss]

Level 4 in a year maybe. Then another year for Level 5 and level 5 will require another subscription on top of FSD. We don't know what that will cost so ?

First of all, Tesla does not measure FSD beta performance against the SAE standard levels as they are rather arbitrary and even I don't think that's how it will unfold in the real world.

More importantly, when you pay for FSD at whatever price it is at the moment, you get all the latest and greatest FSD software updates, as they happen, at no additional cost.

Your claim there will be an upcharge to go from Level 4 to Level 5 is without any basis whatsoever.

 

[MilliVanilli]

Don't be surprised if RNs are randomly generated; in fact, it would be smarter for Tesla if they did that. IDs using 1-up counters will only open them up to reverse-engineering attempts (plus all these arguments that ensue) and potential security risks (remember the SmugMug debacle?). They already have an internal timestamp if they want to order things. There are way too many factors involved in determining who goes first so a 1-up counter for RN has no benefit to them at all.

 

[Tiberius]

That in not really the problem as I see it.
The original promise was :
$40k truck with 250 mile range,
$50k with 350 range
$70k with a 500 range.

While time has passed, and prices have gone up it seems like a bit of bait and switch. The value is there and some of the things that have developed over time have made it a pretty enticing choice. I have to admit it will be a stretch for me to be able to afford the AWD dual motor. I am happy with the range but the $20 increase is hard to swallow.

I'm in the same boat but look at it very differently.
Really "time has passed" just means that prices have risen everywhere by a significant, world changing amount. Good example being the current cheapo Ford Raptor with the pathetic V6 is 80k

A 40-50k truck is a base model cooker truck, not a Ford Raptor, not a Rivian.
Against the backdrop of Tesla having not ever made a cheap anything, their bottom of the range usually starts where many finish. That is reality, hoping for something else is an expectation mismatch.

The Cybertruck range currently starts where the Ford Raptor is, which starts at $80k, not where a bottom of the range RAM starts at, and that is a very stripped down truck, no power, short bed etc.
Expecting a Tesla Cybertruck to start in that space at the beginning of its run just isn't realistic.

At some point I would expect that Tesla will take one of two tracks. Either firm up what a RWD Cybertruck will include and what it will really cost, or just announce that nobody wanted it and decline to make it.
Until then, the only Cybertrucks available are the ones that have the cost equivalent of the cheapest Ford Raptor but have the performance of the much more expensive Raptor R

Doesn't feel like a bait and switch

 

[cvalue13]

Really "time has passed" just means that prices have risen everywhere by a significant, world changing amount. Good example being the current cheapo Ford Raptor with the pathetic V6 is 80k

not to disagree with you

only to laugh that two months ago a comment like this would cause a tidal wave of pretty compelling reasons why the price wouldn’t go up materially (eg, in 2019 Tesla already had 2021 inflation baked in, loo at prices of other models, Tesla wants to outsell F150 in first few years, etc.)


that crowd been awkwardly silent

 

[Tinker71]

First of all, Tesla does not measure FSD beta performance against the SAE standard levels as they are rather arbitrary and even I don't think that's how it will unfold in the real world.

More importantly, when you pay for FSD at whatever price it is at the moment, you get all the latest and greatest FSD software updates, as they happen, at no additional cost.

Your claim there will be an upcharge to go from Level 4 to Level 5 is without any basis whatsoever.

FSD software makes no claim that it will schedule rides and deliveries or accept payments for your level 5 vehicle. You are delusional if you think that important functionality is included. If you assumed Tesla would do that part without a cut I am sorry.

 

[HaulingAss]

FSD software makes no claim that it will schedule rides and deliveries or accept payments for your level 5 vehicle. You are delusional if you think that important functionality is included. If you assumed Tesla would do that part without a cut I am sorry.

I don't think that, nor did I say that.

Your claim was that there would be an additional FSD charge, in the future, to go from Level 4 to Level 5. That is incorrect. If you purchase FSD now, or at any time in the past, Tesla can not, and will not, charge you more money to activate full autonomy on your Tesla.

Accepting payments for ridesharing would require joining a Tesla ridesharing program, the terms of which no one knows yet.

 

[Tinker71]

I don't think that, nor did I say that.

Your claim was that there would be an additional FSD charge, in the future, to go from Level 4 to Level 5. That is incorrect. If you purchase FSD now, or at any time in the past, Tesla can not, and will not, charge you more money to activate full autonomy on your Tesla.

Accepting payments for ridesharing would require joining a Tesla ridesharing program, the terms of which no one knows yet.

I never said their would be an additional charge for FSD to work, just that many people's rides will never live long enough to see level 4/5 functionality. It just isn't worth much without the ride share part. Is is just an upgraded autopilot at best. I suppose you could advertise, negotiate a price, personally greet each customer, collect funds for a ride, collect a damage deposit, instruct your CT to take them someplace, drive there, inspect for damage and return damage deposit and repeat. Not very realistic for making money. So until you know how much Tesla is going to charge for this portion you can't say the future promise of FSD is worth x as a commercial endeavor.

 

[Thunderstrike44]

Funny to hear that I am not the only one that thought the $100 was a Place in Line, which it clearly was not. Also feel that the Foundation Edition was a farse in "Yeah we are making a $49k truck you can order.....4 years later oh wait its $79K, but if you want one right now that will be $99K. I give Tesla a kudos that they even made this truck. It was a great risk, and time will tell if it was worth the gamble for them. Sure was I price shocked at the final price of course, but after some research go out and find a ICE Truck today that you would want to buy that is comfortable (AKA not a work truck) and gets great milage leather seats, nice stereo, and etc. They are all $82K and up, so was Tesla gouging us in the end, probably not. Like how they do most pricing they are competitive to market limits. I only hope I will not be disappointed, I am giving up the nicest truck I ever owned for this. And I have waited for someone to make a Electric Truck since I was a teenager in the 70's. So in two days I get my wish.

 

[Crissa]

Funny to hear that I am not the only one that thought the $100 was a Place in Line, which it clearly was not.

It was a place in a line. You got your chance to order each truck in order of availability - first they went through it for Foundation, then for non-Foundation. Presumably they'll go through it yet again when they make a lower priced one.

And of course, that line you were standing in was geographical. They needed to up the delivery centers and service centers and also the trucks go out in batches of five from the factory. As well as get compliance with Canada and Mexico. So someone out in a rural area got behind, and someone in an urban area with lots of orders also got behind, as well as someone in Canada and Mexico. And those not in North America are still waiting for 'if ever'.

I'm upset at the price, too, but it's unrelated to the line.

I'm sure you won't be disappointed once you get it. Few have been.

-Crissa

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Funny to hear that I am not the only one that thought the $100 was a Place in Line, which it clearly was not. Also feel that the Foundation Edition was a farse in "Yeah we are making a $49k truck you can order.....4 years later oh wait its $79K, but if you want one right now that will be $99K. I give Tesla a kudos that they even made this truck. It was a great risk, and time will tell if it was worth the gamble for them. Sure was I price shocked at the final price of course, but after some research go out and find a ICE Truck today that you would want to buy that is comfortable (AKA not a work truck) and gets great milage leather seats, nice stereo, and etc. They are all $82K and up, so was Tesla gouging us in the end, probably not. Like how they do most pricing they are competitive to market limits. I only hope I will not be disappointed, I am giving up the nicest truck I ever owned for this. And I have waited for someone to make a Electric Truck since I was a teenager in the 70's. So in two days I get my wish.

7,000 miles later and I love driving my CT every time I go out. Everything you say is true though.

My biggest issue is still the wiper not working on ‘dusty’ windows. Either I use a lot of fluid (and make a mess) or it doesn’t clean the passenger side at all.

I have several less-important quips but I am sure that Tesla will eventually address them. Great car/truck and definitely price competitive.

 

[Thunderstrike44]

7,000 miles later and I love driving my CT every time I go out. Everything you say is true though.

My biggest issue is still the wiper not working on ‘dusty’ windows. Either I use a lot of fluid (and make a mess) or it doesn’t clean the passenger side at all.

I have several less-important quips but I am sure that Tesla will eventually address them. Great car/truck and definitely price competitive.

I am truly looking forward to it, I am sure there will things that will be a challenge here and there.

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