FSD Fail 💀 Almost Died

[rrizzi7210]

is there a yield sign and the truck ignored?

Same question. If the yield sign was not present, I can almost understand why FSD 13.2 might not have handled this correctly, but normally, when I am in the same situation, FSD 13.2 slows down quite a bit, almost too much, and then accelerates confidently after the shared lane is clear.

I also seem to remember it will yield when the oncoming traffic is in the next lane over and signally while inside an intersection, during which no lane changes are supposed to occur by anyone. Here in Florida, many drivers change lanes while inside intersections and sometimes collide with vehicles making clear right turns in the rightmost lane. Happens all the time.

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[igs]

I am amazed at two things. The first is that the driver didn't take control immediately -- no way I would risk an accident to see if FSD could handle it -- but that's a personal choice.

I did take over. Immediately. But there is still no way to avoid a collision had the other driver not swerved. Hence why in my post I stated No amount of manual intervention could have prevented it. You wouldn't have seen the red truck unless you came to a complete stop and turned your head all the way around.

Yes I could have stopped or slowed down before the intersection but that means stepping on the brake and disengaging FSD. What's the point of FSD if you have to disengage it before every intersection? This is an FSD fail that could not have been avoided other than turning off FSD before the incident.

 

[MadMaxTX]

I did take over. Immediately. But there is still no way to avoid a collision had the other driver not swerved. Hence why in my post I stated No amount of manual intervention could have prevented it. You wouldn't have seen the red truck unless you came to a complete stop and turned your head all the way around.

Yes I could have stopped or slowed down before the intersection but that means stepping on the brake and disengaging FSD. What's the point of FSD if you have to disengage it before every intersection? This is an FSD fail that could not have been avoided other than turning off FSD before the incident.

You just said what the intervention is -- yes disable FSD before and yes, at every intersection if necessary. If you don't want to risk it. I'm agreeing that it is very flawed. My response is that I don't use it in these situation. For me, it's only on a relatively clear, limited-access road, which means I almost never use it around town and sometimes not even on parts of a road trip. I just don't feel comfortable for just the example you give. I've had way too many incidents and that's just my decision.

 

[cyberready]

Yesterday my FSD crossed the double yellow pulling me out of the HOV lane. I almost died. Love FSD(Supervised) and cannot believe how much it's been improving and how well it does 99% of the time. I remain excited to see that trend continue.

Super glad that the other driver dodged you and you didn;t have to deal with an accident and repair. We need you out driving so we keep your good data flowing.

Were you able to hit the brake and then the voice command to explain what happened so its flagged and the can work on it?

 

[Deleted member 17810]

. You wouldn't have seen the red truck unless you came to a complete stop and turned your head all the way around.

Both you and FSD should have noticed this truck at this point:

Especially if you know you are turning/getting on an on ramp.

I don't know about you, but I look back at the road with the right of way for traffic when I'm merging onto it.

 

[mongo]

Looks like humans are bad at it also. (From streetview)

 

[igs]

Were you able to hit the brake and then the voice command to explain what happened so its flagged and the can work on it?

I swerved to the right which disengaged FSD. Later I went back through the same intersection and FSD did something much worse (thankfully not involving another car) which I also disengaged by braking and left a nice voice message.

 

[REM]

Yesterday my FSD crossed the double yellow pulling me out of the HOV lane. I almost died. Love FSD(Supervised) and cannot believe how much it's been improving and how well it does 99% of the time. I remain excited to see that trend continue.

Super glad that the other driver dodged you and you didn;t have to deal with an accident and repair. We need you out driving so we keep your good data flowing.

Were you able to hit the brake and then the voice command to explain what happened so its flagged and the can work on it?

Provide video proof of you almost dying, please.

 

[cybercricket]

Provide video proof of you almost dying, please.

I almost sneezed just now. No video though.

 

[igs]

Provide video proof of you almost dying, please.

Sure, how do I download the in cabin camera?

 

[DistilledBison]

"No amount of manual intervention could have prevented it"

Dude, you had 3 business days and at least one personal holiday to brake for that yield. Don't bs us with that nonsense, just say you weren't paying attention and nearly killed yourself or another driver.

 

[FarAway]

As a professional pilot, both military fighters and commercial aviation, a lot of the lessons I learned flying are directly transferrable to driving in general and operating with FSD in particular.

1) Always maintain your "situational awareness". What is around you, what are your escape avenues, what are the threats, how can they be mitigated or even totally avoided (this especially transfers to highway motorcycle driving!)

2) If instructing you have to let the student make mistakes to learn. FSD, as now presented is a student driver. With that said, NEVER let the student's mistake place the aircraft (or CT) in a situation that exceeds your personal safety paraments and your skill level to safely recover from any given situation. You are ultimately in command and 100% responsible at all times and have to be prepared to immediately seize control.

The most dangerous students I flew with were always the best students. Like FSD, they did so many things so well that as the IP (instructor pilot) one could be lulled into a false sense of security, the "oh, he's (or she's) got this" syndrome. That attitude can allow a situation to deteriorate right to the edge when things get very interesting very quickly, and not in a good way... like I said NEVER allow a situation to progress beyond your skill level and timely ability to recover. Treat FSD like I treated student pilots, while they are there to learn, they will still sometimes attempt to kill you. Remember, you are there to make sure that doesn't happen and all will fare much better.

 

[65SoYoLO]

Yes I could have stopped or slowed down before the intersection but that means stepping on the brake and disengaging FSD. What's the point of FSD if you have to disengage it before every intersection? This is an FSD fail that could not have been avoided other than turning off FSD before the incident.

Wow. You have to be kidding or a troll or just plain stupid.
HIT THE BRAKES. You had a yield sign which means YOU yield to traffic ....regardless of FSD or not. You failed to yield and are blaming FSD while YOU are responsible for driving the vehicle.
This is the most ridiculous discussion on this site. You are wrong. No two ways about it. YOU failed to yield.

 

[REM]

Sure, how do I download the in cabin camera?

The dashcam doesn't record the cabin camera.

 

[REM]

Wow. You have to be kidding or a troll or just plain stupid.
HIT THE BRAKES. You had a yield sign which means YOU yield to traffic ....regardless of FSD or not. You failed to yield and are blaming FSD while YOU are responsible for driving the vehicle.
This is the most ridiculous discussion on this site. You are wrong. No two ways about it. YOU failed to yield.

100% this. He knew FSD wasn't going to stop at that yield sign as it should have, and he allowed it to blow through it regardless. It's people like him that will keep regulatory agencies breathing down Tesla's neck, even though no amount of disclaimers will prevent stupidity.

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