Brake Malfunction; hit light pole

[BannedByTMC]

The cover is just thin metal bonded to the plastic pedal with adhesive. There is no back bevel holding the cover on, I just inspected the pedal in my Cybertruck. Therefore, if it slides forward, as depicted in the TikTok post, there is no way it could hold the pedal down, against the spring tension.

Aren't there side channels in the pedal cover that grip the side of the pedal when it's slid in place?

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[HaulingAss]

Aren't there side channels in the pedal cover that grip the side of the pedal when it's slid in place?

I think you might be right. You made me inspect it again, this time with a flashlight in addition to my inspection mirror. It looks like it might slide on into some grooves molded into the sides of the plastic pedal. It definitely doesn't wrap all the way around the backside of the pedal, but there may be some captive grooves. I tried to slide the pedal cover up but it wouldn't budge, so I can't be sure.

Still, if that's the case, it makes me wonder why the Tik Tok person didn't actually slide the cover down onto the grooves for his demonstration? Because, unless the grooves are extraordinarily deep, by the time the pedal cover slid all the way up to the ceiling of the footwell, the pedal cover would no longer be captive, due to the tapered nature of the pedal.

 

[Beyond]

I think you might be right. You made me inspect it again, this time with a flashlight in addition to my inspection mirror. It looks like it might slide on into some grooves molded into the sides of the plastic pedal. It definitely doesn't wrap all the way around the backside of the pedal, but there may be some captive grooves. I tried to slide the pedal cover up but it wouldn't budge, so I can't be sure.

Still, if that's the case, it makes me wonder why the Tik Tok person didn't actually slide the cover down onto the grooves for his demonstration? Because, unless the grooves are extraordinarily deep, by the time the pedal cover slid all the way up to the ceiling of the footwell, the pedal cover would no longer be captive, due to the tapered nature of the pedal.

Good evaluation. Can't remember the last time I took anything posted on Tok Tik seriously.

 

[BannedByTMC]

Because, unless the grooves are extraordinarily deep, by the time the pedal cover slid all the way up to the ceiling of the footwell, the pedal cover would no longer be captive, due to the tapered nature of the pedal.

My guess is it slid up enough to catch the footwell and still had some engagement with the pedal. The pedal taper is slight so I think it can slide a good amount and still be captured. There seems to be a projection near the bottom of the footwell that can hook the end of the pedal.

 

[BannedByTMC]

Might be more than one accelerator related issue:

-capability2= false might mean one of the 2 hall sensors isn't reading.

 

[Cybertruck2024]

Tesla doesn't have a stop sale unless there is something worth a stop sale. Essentially an issue that would make driving the truck dangerous. This isn't the same as the many recalls that happened OTA in the past, those were blown out of proportion by news outlets as "terrible mass recalls." That's not what's happening here, this is more serious.

Impossible to say this crash is related to the acceleration issue being discussed other places, but also impossible to say it isn't.

 

[cvalue13]

and even if the recent acceleration pedal recall applicable to the OP, my post is still correct - pedal misapplication by the OP, here is why.

i don’t understand your ‘mic drop’

whether the break overpowers the accelerator isn’t the relevant question

the relevant question is, if the accelerator sticks can a person hit the break fast enough in the confusion to not still hit something


Not taking any side, just also not clear why the fact that the break stops the motor resolves anything material here

An accelerator pedal sticking is an extremely unnatural and rare event. so much so, there’s not a built in reflexive response. the brain doesn’t process the reality of it for a moment, before judgment takes over and the foot finds its way to the brake - perhaps even sloppily due to understandable panic.

that entire moment of confusion is plenty of time for things to go pear-shaped.

 

[Crissa]

Impossible to say this crash is related to the acceleration issue being discussed other places, but also impossible to say it isn't.

Unless Tesla did something else wrong, it doesn't matter if the accelerator is depressed, the brake pedal overrides and cuts any accelerator input. This is how it operates on all other models in normal driving modes.

-Crissa

 

[Cybertruck2024]

Unless Tesla did something else wrong, it doesn't matter if the accelerator is depressed, the brake pedal overrides and cuts any accelerator input. This is how it operates on all other models in normal driving modes.

-Crissa

Where this becomes problematic with EVs, not just Tesla, is the expectation removing your foot from the accelerator will lead to regenerative braking. Unless regen is only triggered by a pedal, which it isn't, EV drivers are conditioned to expect regen will occur and the vehicle will stop with no pedals pushed.

In a vehicle where the option is provided to use two pedal driving, such as some of the legacy auto EVs, the argument could be made it was user error in two pedal mode if a brake wasn't pushed. In one pedal mode, brakes are to engage when the accelerator isn't being pressed. There is a warning on the screen when regenerative braking is constrained in my M3, if that warning isn't there and the vehicle accelerates when no pedal is pushed, that is a serious and possibly fatal issue.

 

[Crissa]

In one pedal mode, brakes are to engage when the accelerator isn't being pressed. There is a warning on the screen when regenerative braking is constrained in my M3, if that warning isn't there and the vehicle accelerates when no pedal is pushed, that is a serious and possibly fatal issue.

The brakes are not engaged when you remove your foot from the pedal. Not until you come to a full stop do they automatically engage.

This is no different than with a manual car, where if you remove your foot from the accelerator the engine drags on the car's forward momentum - and just like the EV, the amount of drag can vary from environmental conditions. Except I don't get a fancy warning that my engine braking power is reduced when it is.

Your brake pedal still works normally in one pedal driving, and is there to slow the car if regen is insufficient.

-Crissa

 

[Cybertruck2024]

The brakes are not engaged when you remove your foot from the pedal. Not until you come to a full stop do they automatically engage.

This is no different than with a manual car, where if you remove your foot from the accelerator the engine drags on the car's forward momentum - and just like the EV, the amount of drag can vary from environmental conditions. Except I don't get a fancy warning that my engine braking power is reduced when it is.

Your brake pedal still works normally in one pedal driving, and is there to slow the car if regen is insufficient.

-Crissa

I agree with your post if the term one pedal driving is not used in any official capacity in the Tesla manual. If it is, there's an expectation you can drive with one pedal. If that doesn't work, then Tesla is at fault for not delivering on what's advertised.

I am sure user error can happen in a moment of panic when a feature of the car doesn't work. I would surely be in shock if my one pedal driving that has worked for years not only wasn't causing me to slow down, but was causing me to accelerate! If your driving at night and your headlights stop working or in a storm and your wipers stop working, is it the driver's error if they then make an erratic move?

 

[Crissa]

One pedal driving also doesn't say you might not need to stop faster.

That's like saying because I have a brake pedal I should ignore that I have a parking brake.

-Crissa

 

[Cybertruck2024]

One pedal driving also doesn't say you might not need to stop faster.

That's like saying because I have a brake pedal I should ignore that I have a parking brake.

-Crissa

The point is there should not be acceleration when no pedal is being pressed. This is a defect and one that assuredly puts the driver in a dangerous losing position. The danger is multiplied in an EV over an ICE vehicle, due to expectation of regenerative braking.

It's understood that the car may slow at varying speeds when no pedals are pushed, but it should never accelerate. If it does, "push the brake, " isn't a viable fix. Then what, hold the brake and steer the truck to a safe parking area? What if your in a tunnel or the middle lane of a highway? This is a serious issue and one that I am shocked anyone would defend as normal.

 

[Crissa]

The point is there should not be acceleration when no pedal is being pressed. This is a defect and ...

...What is a defect? Are you saying you've experienced unintentional acceleration?

Because your post seems to be accusatory gibberish.

-Crissa

 

[Cybertruck2024]

...What is a defect? Are you saying you've experienced unintentional acceleration?

Because your post seems to be accusatory gibberish.

-Crissa

I'm saying there is a stop sale because or accelerator issues. There are videos showing how an accelerator could get stuck. We have a report on here of unintended acceleration.

It would be unconfirmed, not gibberish, if Tesla didn't announce an accelerator issue. Since they have a stop sale, is Tesla lying and just doesn't want to sell trucks? That doesn't make sense.

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