Chevy Silverado EV RST functionality (tailgate, rear window, midgate, range, HUD) blows away Cybertruck

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Yeah right! Conveniently said $3 per gallon to do the math. Please visit CA sometime to understand the reality. Even with that number CT is $15 cheaper than F150, and don’t forget that you are having a luxury driving experience with sports car acceleration at that cost. I still can’t believe I’m defending an argument to claim EVs cost less $$ per mile than ICE vehicles!
Could bump it to $4 a gallon and traveling long distances and not charging at home it still costs more to drive a Cybertruck than a gas F150.
Typically places with high fuel prices have high electricity prices.
CT is way better vehicle, but it is not cheaper to fuel.

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Could bump it to $4 a gallon and traveling long distances and not charging at home it still costs more to drive a Cybertruck than a gas F150.
Typically places with high fuel prices have high electricity prices.
CT is way better vehicle, but it is not cheaper to fuel.

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This is the reality as of today in the area I live. No wonder we have so many Teslas in CA. Based on what Cybertruck owners have reported, it's more than 2 miles PER kWhr but let's go with very conservative number. Here you go -

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BTW, we are only talking about roadtrips. The majority of gas savings happen on daily runs. I have to full tank my Porsche at least 3 times a month. I average around 19 miles combined. I'm thinking of going full solar. I'm looking at saving almost $400 per month just on fuel cost when I switch to Cybertruck.
 

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Could bump it to $4 a gallon and traveling long distances and not charging at home it still costs more to drive a Cybertruck than a gas F150.
Typically places with high fuel prices have high electricity prices.
CT is way better vehicle, but it is not cheaper to fuel.

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Dude, those are not at all real prices.

Currently, gas averages over $5 a gallon. While to pay above 45¢ a kilowatt you'd need to be charging during peak power consumption.

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Dude, those are not at all real prices.

Currently, gas averages over $5 a gallon. While to pay above 45¢ a kilowatt you'd need to be charging during peak power consumption.

-Crissa
Not real prices?.......................ok I will play along and dig it up on the internet for you.

AAA National Gas price as of today is $3.619 which is WAY lower than the $5 I used


So actually worse.

45c per kwh guess was pretty close

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This is the reality as of today in the area I live. No wonder we have so many Teslas in CA. Based on what Cybertruck owners have reported, it's more than 2 miles PER kWhr but let's go with very conservative number. Here you go -

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BTW, we are only talking about roadtrips. The majority of gas savings happen on daily runs. I have to full tank my Porsche at least 3 times a month. I average around 19 miles combined. I'm thinking of going full solar. I'm looking at saving almost $400 per month just on fuel cost when I switch to Cybertruck.
While not as crazy as saying energy is .12c a kwh the national average on gas is quite a bit lower than $6. In the highest priced gas areas of the country it might come close, but for the rest of America an ICE truck is cheaper. NOT happy about this as an EV owner but some people are over extending themselves because they think driving an EV is free, and with the CT is is not.
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Not real prices?.......................ok I will play along and dig it up on the internet for you.

AAA National Gas price as of today is $3.619 which is WAY lower than the $5 I used


So actually worse.

45c per kwh guess was pretty close

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Notably, not disagreeing with what I posted.

Maybe you should read what I posted instead of arguing.

Average gas price in California is $5.38 per gallon for 87.
But average peak Supercharger price - like, if you're charging during peak power usage - is 50¢ a kWh. The average off-peak is more like 25¢.

While not as crazy as saying energy is .12c a kwh the national average on gas is quite a bit lower than $6. In the highest priced gas areas of the country it might come close, but for the rest of America an ICE truck is cheaper. NOT happy about this as an EV owner but some people are over extending themselves because they think driving an EV is free, and with the CT is is not.
Your math is wrong.

Why did you post it wrong twice?

US average gas price today is $3.61. At 20 mpg, that's 18¢ a mile.
US average electricity price is $15.45. At 2.5 miles per kWh, that's 6.1¢ a mile.

Ugh.

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While not as crazy as saying energy is .12c a kwh the national average on gas is quite a bit lower than $6. In the highest priced gas areas of the country it might come close, but for the rest of America an ICE truck is cheaper. NOT happy about this as an EV owner but some people are over extending themselves because they think driving an EV is free, and with the CT is is not.
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But you are doing worst case scenario charging for CT and ideal case gas consumption for ICE trucks. Consider city driving scenario with gas guzzling trucks and home charging for CT. You’ll get a completely different picture.
 

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Notably, not disagreeing with what I posted.

Maybe you should read what I posted instead of arguing.

Average gas price in California is $5.38 per gallon for 87.
But average peak Supercharger price - like, if you're charging during peak power usage - is 50¢ a kWh. The average off-peak is more like 25¢.

-Crissa
Think people are smart enough to read that and understand that you picking CA and calling it the "average" is disingenuous at best, as is using off-peak costs.

Fill your tank up for a cross country road trip only in CA, and then only charge at offpeak hours.....sounds realistic.

You exaggerated to try to prove a point, went a little overboard to try to drive it home, and got caught by the easily verifiable facts. It is ok, I d
But you are doing worst case scenario charging for CT and ideal case gas consumption for ICE trucks. Consider city driving scenario with gas guzzling trucks and home charging for CT. You’ll get a completely different picture.
Avg gas price vs avg public charging price.
There are a lot of people who do not have access to home charging due to where they live, but almost everyone can charge via public chargers.
But on a cross country road trip I am not going to be able to only charge in people's garage from 2-6AM
I even used the F150 which is not that efficient of a truck.


If you only use the Gas price from Alaska and the electric price from TX the Cybertruck looks great, or if you use the Gas price from CA and the Electric price from HI you get the opposite.

Just looking at national averages and saying that driving the CT will on average cost more than an ICE truck on a road trip.
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Notably, not disagreeing with what I posted.

Maybe you should read what I posted instead of arguing.

Average gas price in California is $5.38 per gallon for 87.
But average peak Supercharger price - like, if you're charging during peak power usage - is 50¢ a kWh. The average off-peak is more like 25¢.

-Crissa
Think people are smart enough to read that and understand that you picking CA and calling it the "average" is disingenuous at best, as is using off-peak costs.

Fill your tank up for a cross country road trip only using gas you bought in CA, and then only charge at offpeak hours? Does not sound like an average use case.

You exaggerated to try to prove a point, went a little overboard to try to drive it home, and got caught by the easily verifiable facts. It is ok, I do the same thing with my kids sometimes and get put in my place. Good news is only a dozen or so people are going to read the 14th page on this thread.
 

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If you think comparing average to average is disingenuous...

What is comparing gas minimum to peak?

Even at the lowest price gas in California ($4.34 in Fremont at what might be a card-lock station) to the peak daily price electricity in the same city (51¢ per kWh from 4pm to 8pm) is still 21.7¢ a mile vs 20.4¢ a mile.

Why is it you have a problem with this? And you call it exaggerating?

Seems like you're the one doing the exaggerating.

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There are a lot of people who do not have access to home charging due to where they live, but almost everyone can charge via public chargers.
This hypothesis is not true for CT users my friend. Do you think most of the people who have $100k to buy a Cybertruck don’t have a home charging facility? You are taking peak public charging usage with a EV range of a highway speed and comparing with gas truck that gives 20 mpg. Please get out of the roadtrip comparison and stick to the reality of combined driving and home charging for Cybertruck. That’s the core Cybertruck usage for most of the users. Don’t flip 80-20 rule. Your particular use case is not the majority. CT might not save much on gas for you as your primary usage is doing roadtrips only, but that’s not what most customers will be doing. Even if they have to use public network, they will charge during non peak time, and CT will give 2.5 to 3 miles per KWhr combined range. CT owners have already confirmed this, and this number is only going to get better.
 

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I always tell my friends that don't own a house that they shouldn't buy an EV yet. Public charging for every day use is annoying and expensive. I know one guy who tried it, he went back to ICE.

However, I am a homeowner. I go out of town more than most people I know and 91% of my charging was still at home in the last 12 months. This is probably pretty close to the average EV owner's experience. When reviewing a realistic EV charging cost, EV is nowhere near the cost of gas.

If you live a life road tripping 52 weeks a year, cool! But to pretend that's a real life charging experience for even 5% of EV owners is a weird take to prove a point using a false narrative.
 
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Sorry this thread derailed into a completely different topic, but one last comment to set the record straight.

Public charging with combined range:
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Home charging with combined rage:
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Sorry this thread derailed into a completely different topic, but one last comment to set the record straight.

Public charging with combined range:
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Home charging with combined rage:
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Way off track agree there.
$4 a gallon well over national average
.45 the national public charging price
No home charging on a road trip
CT gets under 2 miles per kwh on a road trip

If you adjust all 3 of those variables towards your argument you can get the result you are looking for, but most will realize you have to look at all 3 variables and make sure they are correct, or at least close.

For argument's sake happy to allow some exaggeration on price per gallon, and cost per kwh at public chargers. But CT getting 400wh/mile or better on a road trip? cmon now
 

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Way off track agree there.
$4 a gallon well over national average
.45 the national public charging price
No home charging on a road trip
CT gets under 2 miles per kwh on a road trip

If you adjust all 3 of those variables towards your argument you can get the result you are looking for, but most will realize you have to look at all 3 variables and make sure they are correct, or at least close.

For argument's sake happy to allow some exaggeration on price per gallon, and cost per kwh at public chargers. But CT getting 400wh/mile or better on a road trip? cmon now
As other members and I said multiple times, please keep roadtrip stats out of the equation. 100% roadtrip usage 365 days a year is minority. Statistics are calculated based on the common usage, and not based on 3.5 Standard deviations above or below the median of the Bell curve. Majority of the CT users will be doing combined city + highway, and charging either at home or during off peak public SC. That's what I approximately reflected in my above charts.
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