Chevy Silverado EV RST functionality (tailgate, rear window, midgate, range, HUD) blows away Cybertruck

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That's an estimate. It could be better or worse. Right now Tesla is also in the hole per Cybertruck built.
If you include engineering and development costs, the building and the machinery and tooling, Cybertruck will not be cash flow positive for a couple of years. But as far as being cash flow positive on a cost to build each one basis, they might already be there. If so, this means that even though the Cybertruck is still overall in a financial hole, each additional one they build brings in more money than it costs them to make. If not, they are at least in the ballpark and doubling weekly production will get them there.

But Tesla has a plan to make this version pay off. It's unclear if GM has such a plan with this version of the truck.
I think it's clear GM has no path to make current versions with less direct costs than GM can sell them for. This is only partially due to having such a big battery and all the weight that entails, and the added expense more weight causes.
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$4 a gallon well over national average
.45 the national public charging price
No. The average US gasoline price is $3.61 today. Over? Yes. Well over? No.
And no. The average US electrical price is 15¢. That'll be close to the average Supercharger price, barring weird localities.

Are you done being wrong? And double posting about it.

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As other members and I said multiple times, please keep roadtrip stats out of the equation. 100% roadtrip usage 365 days a year is minority. Statistics are calculated based on the common usage, and not based on 3.5 Standard deviations above or below the median of the Bell curve. Majority of the CT users will be doing combined city + highway, and charging either at home or during off peak public SC. That's what I approximately reflected in my above charts.
That's a more correct way to think about it for most people. I will point out, even if a person takes a lot of road trips, if they are the kind of person that normally gets a room at the end of each day, a substantial portion of the energy consumed can often be supplied for free these days, at no additional charge, by your hotel. More and more hotels are offering free destination charging as a perk to lure guests who drive EVs and the impact to the average price paid per kWh can be dramatic.

When I take road trips for pleasure, I like to "stop and smell the roses" along the way. That means I am often only driving around 400 miles per day, often on slower but more scenic and more relaxing backroads. For this less hectic type of roadtrip, with destination charging every night, free electricity can power MORE than half your trip!

And for shorter roadtrips, never underestimate the contribution of a good charge to 90-100% at home before you leave or at your destination before the return trip. If your trip is only 800 miles, the charging on either end can be a significant portion of the trip energy. That's why, even on roadtrips, Superchargers are not the sole source of energy, and shouldn't be counted as such by people honestly trying to present accurate costs.

These free sources of electricity are not just for cheapskates. I have Free Supercharging (for life) on my Performance Model 3 and I take advantage of these free sources of electricity simply for convenience sake, it saves me nothing, it's just a convenient way to get a full, or nearly full, battery without having to Supercharge, especially through the slow part of the charging curve. This is particularly convenient if I need to charge beyond the typical 60% SOC, for example when going off the beaten path on backroads, when I know there might not be another Supercharger for a couple hundred miles of my chosen route.

Anti-EV interests try to hit the public with EV negativity from all sides, and trying to position EVs as not saving anyone on energy costs is just another one of their ways to mislead and misinform gullible ICE drivers and convince them to stay with a stinky gasoline car for another 4 years.
 

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No. The average US gasoline price is $3.61 today. Over? Yes. Well over? No.
And no. The average US electrical price is 15¢. That'll be close to the average Supercharger price, barring weird localities.

Are you done being wrong? And double posting about it.

-Crissa
You said gas averages over $5 a gallon, it does not it averages $3.61
Facts are important when making comparisons, and exaggerating fuel cost by 30% to make an argument is disingenuous and misleading.

Happy to have a lively debate about it is realistic for someone on a cross country road trip to only charge at home chargers during the off-peak electrical hours of 1-6AM????

But lets not make wild and unsubstantiated claims that are easily disproven. Such as

"gas averages over $5 a gallon" - Crissa

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Tesla Cybertruck Chevy Silverado EV RST functionality (tailgate, rear window, midgate, range, HUD) blows away Cybertruck 345234566765564102024 (1)
 

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As other members and I said multiple times, please keep roadtrip stats out of the equation. 100% roadtrip usage 365 days a year is minority. Statistics are calculated based on the common usage, and not based on 3.5 Standard deviations above or below the median of the Bell curve. Majority of the CT users will be doing combined city + highway, and charging either at home or during off peak public SC. That's what I approximately reflected in my above charts.
Most mileage on any consumer vehicle is not road trip mileage. That does not mean road trip statistics should get ignored though.
They also translate into people towing as the impact of home charging is significantly reduced in comparison with total miles driven.

No doubt that there are very economical ways to charge an EV and some townships, employers, and businesses offer free charging!
 


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You guys are being downright silly now. Can we just move on from that topic after 2 days of it. The money difference is a rounding error in cost of road tripping and vehicle ownership of a $80K car.
 

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You guys are being downright silly now. Can we just move on from that topic after 2 days of it. The money difference is a rounding error in cost of road tripping and vehicle ownership of a $80K car.
If you are not interested, then don't participate. But don't try to shut up people who want to discuss it!

My takeaway is that you don't like people knowing about the savings in energy costs an electric vehicle offers. Depending upon which area of the country a motorist lives, their home electrical rates, and how many miles they drive daily, the savings can be substantial.

I like EVs for their convenience, performance, instant throttle resonse, lack of maintenance, safety, longevity and reliability, but the extra gas savings is nothing to sneeze at either.
 
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But lets not make wild and unsubstantiated claims that are easily disproven. Such as

"gas averages over $5 a gallon" - Crissa

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I know I'm replying to a banned account, but...

I was replying to a thread talking about California energy prices. Cyber-Man was talking California, and I was replying to the posts replying to him.

Average price in California today is $5.41 today.

Also, that screenshot is from before 6pm Wednesday but was posted almost thirteen hours later... that is some stewing.

-Crissa

I think in this case you're both right (scottf200 and HaulingAss), the argument was going nowhere.
 

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I know I'm replying to a banned account, but...

I was replying to a thread talking about California energy prices. Cyber-Man was talking California, and I was replying to the posts replying to him.

Average price in California today is $5.41 today.

Also, that screenshot is from before 6pm Wednesday but was posted almost thirteen hours later... that is some stewing.

-Crissa

I think in this case you're both right (scottf200 and HaulingAss), the argument was going nowhere.
Thanks for setting the record straight @Crissa. Appreciate it always!
 
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A really excellent overview.

Hands ON: Is The NEW Silverado EV RST Really Worth $100,000?
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Chevrolet Silverado EV -- WT (WorkTruck) experience vs RST (Rally Sport Truck)

"AutoPilot" > WHILE < towing:
  • Chev RTS: hands-free (eyes-on) lane centering on Supercruise designated roads.
  • Ford Lightning hands-on (eyes-on) lane centering on Bluecruise available roads.
Rear Steer:
  • Chev RTS: Rear steer: 7.5° and ability to turn it off in any mode
  • Cybertruck: Rear steer: 3° (10° future?) and ability to turn it off only in off-road mode



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Hearing that the GMC Sierra EV Denali Edition 1 will be even better than the Silverado.
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there are a few things I wish CT had - better parking sensors, access to the bed from the cabin. "oh-shit" bars (on the pillar to grab during rough riding), digital rearview camera...

however I can't love the ride any more. Everything is just perfect. My first Pickup and I love it.
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