Chevy Silverado EV RST functionality (tailgate, rear window, midgate, range, HUD) blows away Cybertruck

[FutureTruck]

That is cherry-picking silly (to soften it). The CT just start shipping ~6 months ago after being years late. And based on the threads on this forum has a variety of problems. Limited appeal to most traditional truck buyers. It was a swing and a miss in that regard.

Yea plus the fact that you can get a CT because people are dropping them due to problems is not a pro Tesla message.

Stick with the facts and arguments that can be won.
Silverado looks terrible and is not as quick.
But is fare more "truck" than the CT and the relevant stats people care about, range and charging speed are miles ahead of the CT, which is a shame.

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[HaulingAss]

As a Tesla shareholder and CT enjoyer I am disappointed that CHEVY of all companies appears to have made a more capable vehicle by range of metrics, usability, and versatility.
No steer by wire and the Silverado looks like a regular ugly truck, but the stat sheet is better than the CT and that is disapointing.

Yes, it "appears" that way. It's really just a grand illusion because GM will lose more money, the more they sell. So it won't be available in good volumes, in other words, it's just a cool party trick like the Hummer EV. Trucks that can't sustain high production volumes won't move the needle.

I wonder if they have solved the problem of dealerships marking the prices up, far above MSRP?

 

[Crissa]

Limited appeal to most traditional truck buyers. It was a swing and a miss in that regard.

If you're just going to troll lies, why are you posting?

...range and charging speed are miles ahead of the CT, which is a shame.

Range yes.
Charging speed, no.

Charging speed is miles per minute.

-Crissa

 

[FutureTruck]

CT charging on Tesla network = 250kw up to 29%
Silverado charging on EA network =350kw up to 55%

Faster charging, bigger battery, more range.

Silverado looks terrible, cybertruck looks cool. But the range and charging is not even close, silverado ahead by a mile, well actually 150

 

[Crissa]

CT charging on Tesla network = 250kw up to 29%
Silverado charging on EA network =350kw up to 55%

Faster charging, bigger battery, more range.

No.

First, that's not a fair test. That's a Silverado on the next gen charger and a Cybertruck on a last gen charging network. Who knows if you can even find those next gen chargers working across a road trip.

Secondly, for every kW a Cybertruck goes 2.5 miles while a Silverado does exactly 2. Even given the older charger the Cybertruck is using, it's nearly charging at the same miles per hour that the Silverado is. This disparity gets worse the faster you push these trucks.

Lastly... This is a limited run Silverado that preliminary numbers says has delivered the same number of trucks in the last nine months that Cybertruck has delivered in the last month.

As much as I like the features of the Silverado, I do know it came out with price points that GM has not offered to the public. And who knows if they ever will.

Tesla, on the other hand, has already been through this song and dance with many models.

-Crissa

 

[FutureTruck]

No.

First, that's not a fair test. That's a Silverado on the next gen charger and a Cybertruck on a last gen charging network. Who knows if you can even find those next gen chargers working across a road trip.

Secondly, for every kW a Cybertruck goes 2.5 miles while a Silverado does exactly 2. Even given the older charger the Cybertruck is using, it's nearly charging at the same miles per hour that the Silverado is. This disparity gets worse the faster you push these trucks.

Lastly... This is a limited run Silverado that preliminary numbers says has delivered the same number of trucks in the last nine months that Cybertruck has delivered in the last month.

As much as I like the features of the Silverado, I do know it came out with price points that GM has not offered to the public. And who knows if they ever will.

Tesla, on the other hand, has already been through this song and dance with many models.

-Crissa

Automaker competition is not fair, neither is life.
That is like saying you can't say a Tesla is better than a Fisker because Fisker is a small company that is going out of business.
Just like saying you can't compare the ugly looks of the Silverado to the great looks of the Cybertruck because Tesla has Franz.

Chevy has a vehicle with much more range
Chevy has chargers that charge way faster
Chevy has a much more capable truck

Chevy won the work truck category

Tesla won the luxury sports SUV category for people who want a 3rd vehicle

All pretty clear at this point. You could argue about the looks because that is subjective, but charge speed, range, and functions are hard to argue at this point.

 

[Crissa]

Automaker competition is not fair, neither is life.

Except... That's not wasn't fair here.

You're using the wrong metrics, so you're just, lying.

'More capable' nope.

More range: Yes.
Faster charging: Maybe? Given optimal conditions?

-Crissa

 

[Sjohnson20]

Good luck finding a working 350kw EA charger. They put what 1 per location? Then if they do work chances are theres a car that doesn’t even do 350kw plugged in.

 

[FutureTruck]

Except... That's not wasn't fair here.

You're using the wrong metrics, so you're just, lying.

'More capable' nope.

More range: Yes.
Faster charging: Maybe? Given optimal conditions?

-Crissa

Ok so call capability subjective, which it is not so call that a tie.

Appearance also subjective, IMO cybertruck looks better but subjective.

Range: Silverado
Charging: Silverado
Both by 100+ miles or 100+ kw so not even close

As a Tesla owner and stockholder I wish it was not true, but Chevy blew past Tesla on the two most important things related to EV adoption hesitancy. Range and charging

A real shame given the lead we had in the industry and the head start in time.

 

[Crissa]

Ok so call capability subjective, which it is not so call that a tie.

The only thing the Silverado does capacity wise is length. The mass and volume isn't really more.

Range: Silverado
Charging: Silverado
Both by 100+ miles or 100+ kw so not even close

Again, those are only two things, and also... You're wrong. 350*2 isn't a 100+ miles more than 250*2.5.

Which is why you keep lying about that metric using:

• next-gen network that's unreliable vs current gen that is
• kW instead of actual miles charged
• limited-release leased truck vs retail end-user purchased truck

And as pointed out, it's not as good when it comes to handling and safety.

-Crissa

 

[FutureTruck]

The only thing the Silverado does capacity wise is length. The mass and volume isn't really more.


Again, those are only two things, and also... You're wrong. 350*2 isn't a 100+ miles more than 250*2.5.

Which is why you keep lying about that metric using:

• next-gen network that's unreliable vs current gen that is
• kW instead of actual miles charged
• limited-release leased truck vs retail end-user purchased truck

And as pointed out, it's not as good when it comes to handling and safety.

-Crissa

If you don't understand the terminology that is fine, but "lying" is a strong word.

Tesla superchargers are now open to other EVs so the Chevy can charge anywhere the Tesla can, and at a much faster rate

Miles charged is very subjective, if you drive 30mph 1kwh will take you much further than at 90mph

Silverado EV was announced much later, got to market much faster

The Silverado is a big ugly work truck, where the Cybtertruck is a cool looking sports car minivan hybrid. But if you are under the opinion that the Silverado has less range, or slower charging I don't know what to tell you.

 

[firsttruck]

....
Lastly... This is a limited run Silverado that preliminary numbers says has delivered the same number of trucks in the last nine months that Cybertruck has delivered in the last month.
....
-Crissa

Yup, and the cumulative number of Cybertrucks shipped compared to Silverados shipped is going to get a lot worse for Silverado.

 

[FutureTruck]

Some guys just did a range test on the Silverado.

460 miles on a charge, range tests on the CT are getting about 280 in those conditions
Hopefully this is the catalyst that Tesla needs to get the range game at least in the ballpark on the Cybertruck.

 

[Crissa]

Some guys just did a range test on the Silverado.

460 miles on a charge, range tests on the CT are getting about 280 in those conditions
Hopefully this is the catalyst that Tesla needs to get the range game at least in the ballpark on the Cybertruck.

Now you're just making stuff up.

"If you don't understand the terminology that is fine, but "lying" is a strong word."

And yet, you repeatedly use kiloWatt instead of miles per hour charged.

-Crissa

 

[FutureTruck]

kw are a scientific measure of energy
" miles per hour charged" has at least 5 variables and is a terrible way of measuring things unless you are trying to skew the data, simple as that.

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