Chevy Silverado EV RST functionality (tailgate, rear window, midgate, range, HUD) blows away Cybertruck

[scottf200]

This thread title clearly says Silverado blows away CT.

Let's be clear about what was written and intended vs generalizing 'blows away'.

The title says the functionality with a list of some of those functions.

"Chevy Silverado EV RST functionality (tailgate, rear window, midgate, range, HUD) blows away"

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Chevy Silverado EV RST functionality

• bed adjust length,
• tailgate opening options,
• removeable and storable rear window,
• midgate lets you care 10+ feet items "inside"
• ~400+ range,
• HUD display,
• electric rear view mirror!,

... blows away Cybertruck
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[HaulingAss]

They will be losing $$ if production rate is only 1000/ year.

With a 200 kWh battery and GM's usual manufacturing efficiency, they will lose money on everyone they sell. no matter how high the production volume.

 

[Sjohnson20]

My take is that this is going to happen a lot. Chevy, and other brands are going to “max out” capabilities as a way to “prove” they are better and market the heck out of it. It’s smart, I would probably do the same thing.

However, will they ever make more than 20,000 of these? Can they scale these at this cost? How much money are they losing on each one? There are a lot of economics at play here. My guess is they only ship this truck for bragging rights and it’s heavily altered later. Tesla could have built a 9000lb truck that does the same thing. They are not lacking the tech, it’s just a strategic decision. One that may or may not work out

Only time will tell, but if they don’t make many of these, I won’t be surprised.

I don’t want to drive a super heavy truck every day. You can feel the cybertruck’s weight already. I like that decision personally.

Teslas plan is to build the charging network so large that you can easily stop and don’t need to haul all of those batteries. I think Tesla is doing it the right way which is why they are so far ahead.

 

[HaulingAss]

Chevy is a huge company, do you want to support them so much that you won't by their product if it is not profitable to them?
Who cares if the truck looses money for Chevy, lots of their products do.

The loss of money on every Silverado GM sells is not a moral problem, it's an indication that it's just a party trick, a test platform made in tiny numbers. They'll crank up the production line and then cut the cord. People will be left hanging without a truck. A low volume vehicle, that loses money for the manufacturer, is not sustainable and doesn't move the climate needle.

 

[Cyber Man]

Let's be clear about what was written and intended vs generalizing 'blows away'.

The title says the functionality with a list of some of those functions.

"Chevy Silverado EV RST functionality (tailgate, rear window, midgate, range, HUD) blows away"

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Subforum for competition: Forums -> Main -> Cybertruck Versus...

Chevy Silverado EV RST functionality

• bed adjust length,
• tailgate opening options,
• removeable and storable rear window,
• midgate lets you care 10+ feet items "inside"
• ~400+ range,
• HUD display,
• electric rear view mirror!,

... blows away Cybertruck
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Well, even if we say those 4-5 features are blowing away Cybertruck, we should know that Tesla made a deliberate choice to not add more battery or HUD or pass-through window. I give Silverado 10/10 for the last feature. We can only speculate why Tesla made those choices. If Silverado was in the same weight and battery range, and achieved all the functionalities of CT, then I would say it’s Apples to apples comparison, and CT is blown away for those features. They just doubled the battery size to show impressive range. I don’t know how many are comfortable hauling 2000 lbs of extra weight all the time and pay more $$ per mile just to have 400 miles range. In terms of rear window, do you think for a company building reusable rockets, adding a sliding window in the rear would have been a rocket science? I don’t know why Elon and Tesla made that choice. Probably they want to keep a pressurized cabin, highly enclosed air filtration system, to reduce road noise, wade mode, boat mode, fly mode, god knows.. but it’s a very conscious design change. Same thing with HUD. Tesla just wants to minimize the clutter to the max. Another deliberate design choice. If there is a Truck that does everything CT does and beats CT in some of the spec numbers, then I would say the other truck is the winner overall. Otherwise, these are just different vehicles for different needs. If your day job involves 400 miles of daily commute and hauling 6’+ cargo, and you don’t mind dust/debris getting into the main cabin, then definitely Silverado is a good choice for now.

 

[HaulingAss]

I hear all the time "I won't buy an EV until it has over 500 miles in range or charges in the amount of time I can fill up my tank." Click on any EV article on Yahoo News and this comment comes up 100 times. We should be thankful someone is listening to these voices, to help for a zero emission future.

I think you fell for the web bots. There are thousands of them trying to make people think EVs are not viable in order to slow down the adoption of EVs and the mass exodous from gasoline vehicles. Billions of dollars are on the line and web bots are dirt cheap.

 

[Crissa]

But the Cybetruck pricing was in 2019 money, which...

That's not how that works. It would be criminal accounting to announce a price for a future year in a past year dollar amount. It would have to be have been hedged to a standard inflation rate.

Blaming the 2-3x price on inflation since 2019 is not accurate.

This is not how math works. There's no single-motor Cybertruck being sold for $120k (3x40=120). There's no tri-motor Cybertruck being sold for $140K, either (2x70=140).

-Crissa

 

[HaulingAss]

I am happy GM is doing something, but they are playing catch up. The pass through gate is nice. I wonder what the sound will be like at freeway speeds with an opening that large.

I'm wracking my brain trying to come up with a use case where I would go to the trouble of opening that mid-gate and I'm drawing a blank. And, once it's down, you have to put it back up to lock the truck.

Lastly, paying $96+ tax for a Chevy Silverado is an interesting. I have been in a Silverado. It is a $50k truck at best in terms of quality. The TECH inside the cabin where it counts is a generate or two behind.

I think they will run into the same problem Ford is running into with the Lighting. They basically took a truck and removed the engine and put a battery on the bottom. The EV draw is not strong enough to get a Chevy owner to leave their gas powered truck...or not strong enough to ask for 2x the price. If you are going to ask for 2x over the gas powered truck, you need to take it to the next level.

Exactly! This is just a GM party trick so they can tell the government they tried and then they can keep selling gas trucks. I bet they make less than a few thousand of them. If they try to make them in volume, it will bankrupt them.

 

[Crissa]

Charge time for CT is better. You can twist that however you want. 122KW battery will charge faster than 200+KW battery. That’s pure physics and chemistry.

That's not quite true.

A bigger battery will accept a higher kW charge rate than a smaller battery. And allowed to charge a the same charge rate, they'll take the same total time to charge. That's how chemistry and electronics work. That's the 'charge rate' or 'C' of a battery.

But! Charging is also often limited by the charger, not the battery. Which is why Level 1 charging takes so long! And the bigger battery would take longer to charge, if the charger is the limitation. And for these big batteries, the charger is almost always the limitation.

-Crissa

 

[HaulingAss]

The original reason Musk claimed for CT was to attract the huge number of traditional truck buyers to EV. Like most things Musk in the last five years that is wishful BS.

A lot of traditional new truck buyers are in line to get a Cybertruck, myself included. Many have already taken delivery.

The narrative that traditional truck buyers won't like the Cybertruck is a made-up hopium on the part of legacy manufacturers and oil companies. They HOPE that is the case, but there is no supporting evidence because traditional truck buyers are already buying Cybertrucks. But there are only so many to go around, for now. By the time production ramps to 250,000+ per year, the lower prices will further expand the addressable market. It's all about price and function, that's why Tesla didn't put a 200 kWh battery in the Cybertruck.

People who tow cross-country are only a tiny minority of all pickup buyers.

 

[Crissa]

I'm wracking my brain trying to come up with a use case where I would go to the trouble of opening that mid-gate and I'm drawing a blank. And, once it's down, you have to put it back up to lock the truck.

Poles, boards, lotsa things. The vault plus a passthrough would be awesome.

Not having a tonneau while you have a passthrough does limit when you can use the passthrough tho to fair days and times you can either fill it in a way someone can't reach in, or you can watch your stuff. So like, if you stop for sodas on your way to/from canoeing or surfing, you're going to have to leave someone with the truck and take shifts with the toilets.

-Crissa

 

[HaulingAss]

Silverado looks terrible and is not as quick.
But is fare more "truck" than the CT and the relevant stats people care about, range and charging speed are miles ahead of the CT, which is a shame.

It's complete BS that the Silverado is "far more truck than the Cybertruck". A truck is for hauling stuff around. And the Silverado has a payload capacity of only 1,400 lbs vs. nearly double for the Cybertruck (2,500 lbs.). Silverado also has less towing capacity. Heck, 5 big 300 lb. men in the cab could put the Silverado 100 lbs. over its weight limit, and that's before you put a single thing in the bed or in the frunk. You're gonna have to leave the cooler at home, LOL!

Saying the Silverado is more "truck" than the Cybertruck just shows you don't know what a truck is. Trucks are made to haul loads. And 1400 lb. load limit is pitiful.

 

[HaulingAss]

Poles, boards, lotsa things. The vault plus a passthrough would be awesome.

Not having a tonneau while you have a passthrough does limit when you can use the passthrough tho to fair days and times you can either fill it in a way someone can't reach in, or you can watch your stuff. So like, if you stop for sodas on your way to/from canoeing or surfing, you're going to have to leave someone with the truck and take shifts with the toilets.

-Crissa

Yeah, I just don't see myself hauling things longer than the Cybertruck can handle. With the tailgate down the Cybertruck has 8 feet of bed which means you can carry poles and boards 12 feet long and longer, without needing a rack or a flatbed trailer.

The mid-gate is mostly a gimmick because it's already been proven by previous ICE versions, with a midgate, that most owners never use them. Why put it on there unless they are addressing a niche market that might actually use it?

 

[HaulingAss]

kw are a scientific measure of energy
" miles per hour charged" has at least 5 variables and is a terrible way of measuring things unless you are trying to skew the data, simple as that.

False. Range added per unit of time is the only charging metric that matters, when comparing charging speeds of different vehicles.

Also false that kW are a measure of energy, kWh is a measure of energy, kW is a measure of power. Two different things for different purposes.

 

[HaulingAss]

CT charging on Tesla network = 250kw up to 29%
Silverado charging on EA network =350kw up to 55%

It looks like you are unaware that Kyle has already proven the Cybertruck can charge up to at least 338 kW on third party chargers using an adapter. Plus, it needs a lot less energy to travel at 70 mph.

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