Cybertruck FULL FRONT VIEW! (2/9/23)

[Rozonoe]

Look at the frunk lines?! The Wiper?!

That is where the light bar will be located.

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[Crissa]

A winch motor costs what $50? The assembly to disengage the drivetrain/ clutch as appropriate is likely more expensive & much more complicated.

Winches cost alot, depending upon the strength of the motor, the line, etc.

Having a power tap off (which I don't think is likely) would exceed most line loads, but it would solve the problem of trying to drag a several-ton Cybertruck up a hill.

A $50 winch might not do that.

-Crissa

 

[anionic1]

I want to see that so.. so bad, but the wheel well looks pretty defined, and we know the trim sticks out a bit for the wheel well.
Also, we have seen zero evidence of a hinge, seam, or cut line for the sail pillar storage thus far. Heck, even the bed storage has been visible ( seam) on multiple beta CT's.

I was imagining a solid bar frame from the top a frame to the back leaving a decent void for storage..

I'm not mad, just disappointed.

I saw the seem in person at the Petersen for the original prototype. You can also see the seems on the Cybertruck page on tesla site. All hinges on the truck are concealed. The original Tesla Cybertruck reveal had an image of the storage in the sail pillar. It is very likely that the sail pillar will still have storage. Nothing has indicated that it wouldnt. Tesla always planned to have a large casting in the sail pillar so thats not a reason to say that it would. I agree that its disappointing that it wont be larger- especially since it will almost be impossible to reach over the pillar to get things out of the bed.

Its very likely that the additional storage in the truck be is there and i think thats why we see the new prototypes with that thicker look under the rear. I hope its large enough to hold a spare.

Here is the image.:

 

[anionic1]

Winches cost alot, depending upon the strength of the motor, the line, etc.

Having a power tap off (which I don't think is likely) would exceed most line loads, but it would solve the problem of trying to drag a several-ton Cybertruck up a hill.

A $50 winch might not do that.

-Crissa

I know this is a stretch but in the early days of "what would your dream Cybertruck feature be?", mine was a Power Take Off (PTO) like a tractor or other farm equipment has so you can hook up a large array of attachments for difference features. Tesla could have an entire division for attachments. lets say you could just control the speed and torque from your phone. The motors and controls are arguably the heaviest, most costly part of a lot of equipment such as a winch.

Imagine if there was a PTO connection concealed in the front or rear of the CT and a standard connection on the bumper that you could quickly mount a motorless winch to and tie it to the PTO. it would probably weigh 20 lbs vs 50 and cost half as much. What about a screw drive snow plow or a trenching machine or an outboard motor (not that i think anyone will actually be using the CT on water). Or for wood workers what about a jobsite table saw or pipe bending machine or a compressor to fill large air tanks or a large vacuum or a wood chipper. Or for the outdoor enthusiast how about a pitching machine or a skeet shooter. It seems like such a good use of all that power and tech in the CT to do something like this. And you could protect the truck with a simple clutch mechanism so if there was a jamb it wouldn't destroy the CT. I think I am going to quit my day job and figure out how to make this happen.It could easily be designed so that most of these can be connected to the PTO and truck in less than 30 second and be ready to go.

 

[Ogre]

I know this is a stretch but in the early days of "what would your dream Cybertruck feature be?", mine was a Power Take Off (PTO) like a tractor or other farm equipment has so you can hook up a large array of attachments for difference features.

This is something which very few people would end up using and would add cost and potential maintenance issues to every single Cybertruck released.

Would be cool for the fewer than 1% who want/ need it. But not going to happen.

 

[Crissa]

The clutch, however, could be the same one that allows free-wheeling in range extending mode.

-Crissa

 

[anionic1]

This is something which very few people would end up using and would add cost and potential maintenance issues to every single Cybertruck released.

Would be cool for the fewer than 1% who want/ need it. But not going to happen.

That's also what they said about electric cars 10 years ago. A lot of people do a decent amount of work with and around their trucks. I think the thing that would limit it is that generally all purpose features are not the best in their function and often get overlooked for the best options. Take the Shopsmith wood working tool. Its 7 tools in one but its not the best at any of its features. For some its good enough but for many its not enough.

You are right in that it would add cost. But if right out of the gate they had that feature with some really useful tools like a construction grade compressor, winch, table saw, etc. there are a lot of contractors that would take it much more seriously.

 

[FutureBoy]

This is something which very few people would end up using and would add cost and potential maintenance issues to every single Cybertruck released.

Would be cool for the fewer than 1% who want/ need it. But not going to happen.

The clutch, however, could be the same one that allows free-wheeling in range extending mode.

-Crissa

I know Tesla builds its vehicle differently than other automakers. But having seen some of the new OEM products to create "corners" for the drive and wheel systems, would it be a stretch for Tesla to produce a drop-in accessory unit that could be a winch, or a powered tool receptacle like PTO, etc that could be entirely packaged independently (with an electric power hookup) or using a shared clutch as @Crissa describes.

Not saying that is going to happen. But given Tesla's creativity and engineering prowess, we should keep in mind that there are multiple ways to accomplish things and each method just has it's own pros and cons. I'm sure that Tesla has at a minimum brainstormed the hell out of what could be accomplished with the CT. Then engineered multiple designs to try and create the best truck possible. We just have to wait and see what they deliver. It's not going be very long before we find out. At least not long compared to the years wait we've already had.

 

[Ogre]

You are right in that it would add cost. But if right out of the gate they had that feature with some really useful tools like a construction grade compressor, winch, table saw, etc. there are a lot of contractors that would take it much more seriously.

Contractors are going to want tools they can bring into their work-site. They are going to want dedicated tools. Having PTO powered tools means you break down the tool every time you need to switch jobs which is a PITA.

 

[Crissa]

Contractors are going to want tools they can bring into their work-site. They are going to want dedicated tools. Having PTO powered tools means you break down the tool every time you need to switch jobs which is a PITA.

For big tools, you're usually breaking them down anyhow.

-Crissa

 

[speach]

I just drove across South Texas (and LA, MS & AL), there and back. I had no issues at an SC anywhere.

 

[Ogre]

For big tools, you're usually breaking them down anyhow.

-Crissa

I’ve never had to break down my table-saw so I can use my miter saw.

At the end of the day sure, but just so you can change tools? You pay extra for the nice folding stands so all of your tools can be set up and ready to use.

 

[Crissa]

I’ve never had to break down my table-saw so I can use my miter saw.

At the end of the day sure, but just so you can change tools? You pay extra for the nice folding stands so all of your tools can be set up and ready to use.

I doubt anyone would use a power tap-off for a miter saw.

But a stump grinder? A winch? A log splitter? A brush shredder? A post hole digger? Basically, the things you hang off the back of a tractor and use over and over.

Most things are better with an electrical cable, sure, but a few things already carry a motor the size that's in the truck.

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

The best, easiest and most cost effective way to do a PTO is to use the onboard 240V inverter/charger in 3 phase mode as a VSD (Variable Speed Drive) motor controller. You would only need to add a 3phase plug (or two for front and rear) and a protection relay and a piece of cable as hardware then, and can do all the safety/control lockouts in software which only has a one time development cost. Total hardware likely less than $100.

Functionally you can either use the 110/240V sockets on the inverter, or switch as a 400V 3 phase output or input for charging. In PTO mode the 110/240V are disabled and the 400V 3Phase plug supplies power as a motor speed controller, to which you can hookup a compatible induction/PM motor (configurable via CANbus to implement). With that you can drive a trolling motor in boat mode, or any type of front or rear implement up to the capacity of the inverter, so around 10-15kW. Also using a cable to get to a implement side drive motor is also cheaper and easier to do than using PTO shafts and gearboxes to orientate drivetrains for specific jobs. (a mower need a vertical drive, snow blower/sweeper a horizontal drive etc)

It could also double as the V2X interface to the CT for powering your house or back to the grid.
There was a thread here a few weeks back where a company made the main EV motor controller could be used for charging and V2X, but in their case you couldn't drive the EV at the same time you used it to power something else, which is why it would make more sense to use the 240V inverter instead on the CT.

All we need then is to have a decent sized MPPT solar input.

 

[Ogre]

I doubt anyone would use a power tap-off for a miter saw.

But a stump grinder? A winch? A log splitter? A brush shredder? A post hole digger? Basically, the things you hang off the back of a tractor and use over and over.

Most things are better with an electrical cable, sure, but a few things already carry a motor the size that's in the truck.

-Crissa

How many people own a stump grinder, log splitter, brush hog, or post hole digger? 1 out of 10000?

If you don’t have acreage you aren’t going to use these things. If you do have acreage, you likely have a tractor. I have a brush hog, but where I take it my truck wouldn’t fit, my 5 foot wide tractor barely does.

If affordability is the goal—as Musk has said it is—you don’t kitchen sink it. Trying to make niche features like a PTO is the absolute pinnacle of kitchen sinking and scope creep.

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