"Cybertruck is necessarily lowest priority for FSD..." - Elon Musk (12/30/23)

[REM]

Not sure what the very large data set has to do with it, Tesla already has it. It's not "per model"

You are incorrect on the FSD sale.
FSD IS for sale right now. It is a future product that has not been delivered yet.
For those who have bought FSD, they are being offered an opportunity to use the early release versions for free.

You are objectively wrong on both accounts lmao.

The data model for FSD has to be certified for each vehicle using it for a countless number of reasons. Some of which I already listed.

Also, FSD isn't for sale. You may purchase contingent early access to features of the program that are still in beta. Have you actually read the terms of service for the program?

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[REM]

• Stopping power - each of the existing vehicle have different conditions, just variables
• Towing - The other vehicles already tow. But irrelevant, since FSD is disabled when towing.
• Cargo - Same with other cars
• Steering - it's still left / right. The computers were already fly-by-wire
• Rear wheel steering - not generally used at FSD speeds
• Aerodynamic - already in place in the other vehicle.
• Manual override - Fly by wire itself has solved it.

great! It's so simple that you have it all figured out already and I have no idea what I'm talking about. Go ahead and join the dev team at Tesla and teach them a few things. Let's get those 5 nines accuracy down in record time.

 

[Woodrick]

You are objectively wrong on both accounts lmao.

The data model for FSD has to be certified for each vehicle using it for a countless number of reasons. Some of which I already listed.

And you come by this knowledge how? And how is this any different from any other FSD beta release?

Also, FSD isn't for sale. You may purchase contingent early access to features of the program that are still in beta. Have you actually read the terms of service for the program?

I bought FSD over 5 years ago for my Model 3 and over 3 years ago for my Model Y. I have read the documents.

So if we use your definition of purchasing contingent early access, that means that when FSD becomes available, we will have to purchase that as well. You and I both know that is BS.

Like I said, you purchase FSD now and get contingent early access

 

[Cybertruck 1974]

wait, What? NO FSD, summons, self parking?? Pay big $$ and don't get squat but Only a dumb cable and box for charging another vehicle or your home and white trim... Well, I guess we should only pay for what we get right? hmmm there has to be a law against this.......

 

[rudedawg78]

wait, What? NO FSD, summons, self parking?? Pay big $$ and don't get squat but Only a dumb cable and box for charging another vehicle or your home and white trim... Well, I guess we should only pay for what we get right? hmmm there has to be a law against this.......

 

[REM]

I bought FSD over 5 years ago for my Model 3 and over 3 years ago for my Model Y. I have read the documents.

Then you didn't read them thoroughly. as you purchased early access in a beta program. The program is still in beta. You have to meet a safety threshold before they will allow you to use it. If you read the terms of service, they can and will revoke your access to it for a number of safety factors.

Have you ever purchased early access to a video game while it was still in Alpha or Beta status? Same concept here.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-2CB60804-9CEA-4F4B-8B04-09B991368DC5.html

Are you sure you read all of the all of the documents?

 

[REM]

How do you define FSD?

People often never take take the time to understand the context behind definitions.

"Self-drive" is a term used in the movie "Demolition Man".

self. drive.

Get it now?

 

[REM]

As an investor, this doesn't bode well for TSLA licencing FSD to other auto makers.

Their early program model is entirely different than the one they are using now. This new one definitely has portability in mind. The old one didn't, and it wasn't necessary. They just needed to prove it was possible to achieve a certain degree of autonomy.

 

[REM]

FSD will not work anyways if you towing, so FSD is not required for CT, or why I need FSD for a truck work, that is why low priority.

Couple things here. FSD will eventually work when towing, just not now as that is far less of a priority. However, the key is certification. How does the truck know for an absolute fact that you aren't towing something so that it doesn't engage FSD or autopilot?

The engineers have to have a 100% no-fail fool proof stack that certifies that the driver isn't towing something or has a shifting/dangerous cargo in the bed before engaging any kind of automatic driving mode.

Say they do have cargo in the bed and the computers decides it needs to swerve hard to avoid a collision, but in the process, the cargo is shifted wildly and further amplifies the destruction? You realize what the headlines would say then?

 

[cybguy]

Not "peasants", just those that weren't watching the unveiling, willing to put down $100, and wait four years.

Let them eat cake! The peasantry can't afford the extra $20K plus forgo the $7.5K rebate to get one sooner.

 

[Nabilriaz69]

Couple things here. FSD will eventually work when towing, just not now as that is far less of a priority. However, the key is certification. How does the truck know for an absolute fact that you aren't towing something so that it doesn't engage FSD or autopilot?

The engineers have to have a 100% no-fail fool proof stack that certifies that the driver isn't towing something or has a shifting/dangerous cargo in the bed before engaging any kind of automatic driving mode.

Say they do have cargo in the bed and the computers decides it needs to swerve hard to avoid a collision, but in the process, the cargo is shifted wildly and further amplifies the destruction? You realize what the headlines would say then?

my understanding would not work for Towing, as trailers are different sizes, and there will be no sensors on the third party trailers and RV etc. it is doable I agree, but needs lot of data and development..

 

[cybguy]

it was in the invite materials

Tesla’s order agreement binds you to arbitration if Tesla’s choosing. To avoid a judge/.jury deciding a dispute.

but, they allow you to opt out of that arbitration restriction (not because they’re nice, but because the law requires it), by sending notice


I am a lawyer, and I too would be sending that notice

I read that twice. However I interpreted the upcoming over the air software update to be pertaining to the continually improving features. Maybe that's why I'm not a lawyer. But it would be foolish not to opt out of the binding arbitration.

 

[REM]

my understanding would not work for Towing, as trailers are different sizes, and there will be no sensors on the third party trailers and RV etc. it is doable I agree, but needs lot of data and development..

oh for sure, it will be quite a long time before we get any kind of autonomy when hauling.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

As an investor, this doesn't bode well for TSLA licencing FSD to other auto makers.

As an investor, with Tesla's very high PER, I want them to monetize their flobal driving data base and it's AI. And it will be a continuing cash inflow with data expansion and updates.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

That's why I am hoping Lance will come up with a slide-in camper for Cybertruck.

I would think the auto-pilot/FSd need not be disabled for that.

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