"Cybertruck is necessarily lowest priority for FSD..." - Elon Musk (12/30/23)

[cvalue13]

As an investor, this doesn't bode well for TSLA licencing FSD to other auto makers.

In any event, I wouldn’t bet (or invest) on any of the majors signing up for that

not that FSD isn’t a competitive platform; instead that an alternative that is even only 60% of FSD would be more attractive than licensing from a competitor, much less Tesla.

and it’s not merely a 60% competitor that’s around the corner.

some 800lb gorillas waiting in the wings, who unlike Tesla aren’t simultaneously a competing auto manufacturer

Tesla talks like it’s the only shop with millions of miles of data, but either Tesla knows that isn’t true or instead will be as blindsided as investors banking on FSD licensing.

for majors to not go with the other option(s), and instead let Tesla hold their chain, would require FSD to be a helluva lot more than it is now, or will be anytime soon.

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[Celiboy]

Obviously it can't work until it has enough data.
All the people complaining it doesn't work would prefer it did work and crashed them into a wall?

I think they would because they’d have more to complain about.

 

[Cybergirl]

I haven't noticed any increase in nags with the latest V11 software update. If you have, it probably means you weren't paying enough attention before.

 

[DumpsterFire]

Literally the biggest reason i was excited about owning my first Tesla.. this sucks

Patience my dude! One thing I think we all learned early on with our first Tesla experience is to temper expectations sometimes.
They're an extremely fun vehicle to drive but there things like FSD that end up being very fluid in it’s implementation.

This FSD thing aside, if your experience is anything like my experience with my first Tesla. You’re gonna dig it!! (With some minor annoyances…. ?)

 

[Rockvillerich]

Ugh had not thought of that, hopefully by the time us peasants get a CT in 2025 they will have FSD ready.

Not "peasants", just those that weren't watching the unveiling, willing to put down $100, and wait four years.

 

[DumpsterFire]

Marty Feldman's insurance has tripled... ?

“What hump??”

 

[DumpsterFire]

then why asking CT customers to pay for it in Foundation Series? to develop it further ? why it is not optional ?

Because that’s how they fund the development.

Look I think it’s a pretty simply proposition. Either pay for it and get the CT or don’t pay for it and don’t get the CT.

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[Woodrick]

So how far out in the future do you predict that the Cybertruck will actually have FSD enabled?

FSD is quite expensive, and I hope owners of the Cybertruck do not have to wait super long before the FSD switch is turned on.

Man, this thread has grown fast.

It's not as if there is an example this year for this exact situation.

When the ultrasonics were removed from a number of cars, they didn't have FSD for a period of about 6 months. Not really sure of the details, but I suspect that the main delay was getting the USS modules replaced with TeslaVision modules.
But the USS modules exist now, it should be a relatively simply port.
It's kinda dependent on just how different to Cybertruck UI is.

 

[Woodrick]

FSD depends on a very large data set that must be provided by a real fleet of vehicles.

I really expected people on this forum to have a better understanding of how all this works. Auto-pilot will be enabled when they hit a certain accuracy threshold, and same for FSD.

edit: also, one huge element to the FSD program that most people don't understand is that FSD is not currently a product for sale.

Conditional early/beta access to the program is what they are currently selling to consumers.

Not sure what the very large data set has to do with it, Tesla already has it. It's not "per model"

You are incorrect on the FSD sale.
FSD IS for sale right now. It is a future product that has not been delivered yet.
For those who have bought FSD, they are being offered an opportunity to use the early release versions for free.

 

[Woodrick]

We have mentioned before that Cybertruck will not have FSD enabled out of the box since there is not a large enough fleet to provide the data to enable FSD. S3XY has an enormous fleet compared to the Cybertruck which is probably still under 1000. The data has to be trained based on the camera position on the vehicle. The Semi also does not have AP and FSD enabled at the moment for the very same reason.

I thought that the images are patched together first and then the AI runs on them.

 

[cvalue13]

Hate to pile on, but:

nobody’s mentioned that in 2019 they claimed Ct would be first to ship with HW5

 

[DumpsterFire]

Is there a reason you're being unnecessarily combative? What is it with Tesla forums and people being immediately hostile for no reason.

Well I mean there are a huge amount of us here willing to pony up six figures for a truck that none of us have driven and few have actually even seen…

I think that’s a little window into the soul of the nut jobs (myself included of course) that lurk on this board… ???

 

[Woodrick]

The CyberTruck is a completely different platform. While some data can be used from the other vehicles, much of it will need to come from the CT fleet in order to certify. There are a ton of factors that go into the equation like:

• Stopping power (weight/speed/conditions/ambient temperature/brake temperature)
• Is the vehicle towing something?
• Is there a significant amount of cargo? Can it shift during sudden movements?
• Visibility - What are the blind spots for the vehicle?
• Steering - This platform is completely brand new to not only Tesla, but the entire industry (consumer vehicles).
• Rear wheel steering geometries.
• Aerodynamics - how will it behave in very high, intermittent gusts of side wind? What happens when an 18 wheeler passes it in an opposing lane and the wind pushes the CT hard?
• How much different is manual override with steer by wire then the rest of the fleet?
  
  all of this and much more has to be certified before the public can use it.

• Stopping power - each of the existing vehicle have different conditions, just variables
• Towing - The other vehicles already tow. But irrelevant, since FSD is disabled when towing.
• Cargo - Same with other cars
• Steering - it's still left / right. The computers were already fly-by-wire
• Rear wheel steering - not generally used at FSD speeds
• Aerodynamic - already in place in the other vehicle.
• Manual override - Fly by wire itself has solved it.

 

[Nabilriaz69]

FSD will not work anyways if you towing, so FSD is not required for CT, or why I need FSD for a truck work, that is why low priority.

 

[Woodrick]

Yeah but how delayed was it for Model 3? For Model Y? You would think its using mostly the same data and just changing the variable of the vehicles vision and dimensions.

Model Y was the last "new" model. Was it delayed a lot?

It wasn't delayed with the Model Y, but it WAS delayed with the ultrasonic removal.

But the Model Y and Model 3 are very similar platforms.

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