Cybertruck vault sub-trunk fully opened! + Tonneau cover and tailgate lowering in action!

[Diehard]

Is this scenario perfect? No. But in reality, how many TV delivery persons are there that stop at the local strip club mid delivery?

This makes wonder when Farley said they know their customers, did they have a research team doing a ride along? Did you have to plant that question in my head? Now I have to know the answer. Could it be 42?

will not give up on the midgate until after I receive delivery

Just to help out with hanging on to the dream a little longer; CT could have a CT trim/option with manual tonneau cover (like Rivian) with full size Mid-Gate.

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[Diehard]

How often have you had a flat requiring roadside swap?

Honestly curious, cause in my 25+ years driving, I have had to do that exactly zero times. But I do know someone who seems to have a flat every 4 months, but I chalk that up to her driving way too fast on pot hole ridden streets without making any effort to avoid the potholes, on a benz with low profile tires. I drive the same streets and make an effort to avoid barreling straight through the same potholes at speed on ridgeline A/T truck tires and don't seem to have come close to getting a flat.

I just think that on big chunky truck tires, driving even on crappy roads for a decent chunk of long distance road trips, the likelihood of needing to swap a flat on the side of the road is pretty damn low.

But It would be nice to have a spare, just like every car on earth has.

I have been driving three vehicles in the past decade. Many flats I could plug without taking the tires off. Two blow outs (side wall) in two different vehicles, one with spare and one without. A vastly different experience which makes having a spare very important to me. both times, I had to chose between getting hit or running the tire into something. I do have to say, within that period, I never had to use the spare in my truck but I rarely had to put it to the test like the other two.

 

[Diehard]

How is it that I always bend the nail when hitting it with a hammer, but when lying flat on the road it goes straight into my tire??

I suspect either the car in front of you or your front tire, wakes up the sleeping screw/nail and gets it ready to do the damage.

I have carried a spare all my life and haven't had a flat in over 30 years.

More evidence how important it is to have a spare; it helps in not getting a flat. Kinda like carrying an umbrella to make sure it does not rain.

the special Good-year non pneumatic (airless) tyres that should supposedly last up to 100x the distance of standard tyres

I can imagine how the board meeting in Good-year went on this project. CEO: so are we planning to sell 101x more tires or price this 101x more to increase revenue?

What I'm most worried about, what if I get a flat tire while acting as a boat? Will the jack work sufficiently well under water and where will I store the scuba gear so I don't have to keep coming up for air whille changing a flat tire?

Don't laugh, I want to make sure I'm prepared to handle anything, no matter how unlikely.

Masterful delivery of a point. Well done. Obviously we each can see the world based on our own experience so let me share mine. It is not about just the inconvenience of when and where the blowout happens. It is about all the other times where it does not happen. Every time I go out with my convertible that does not have a spare, when we see an unplanned destination along the way with a questionable surface to get to, the fact that taking that option make it riskier than when I am with a spare will make me not take that chance or take it and not enjoy it as much. Your experience reduces that cost (the state of mind). My experience does not. It does not make it less valid. I have not had any heart attacks in the past so I don’t worry about it every day. I have had many bruises but the cost of dealing with it was low and acceptable to me, so I don’t Worry about that either. Statistically over all and on the average, I am sure the benefit of putting a spare in the vehicle does not justify the cost to the design for Tesla. But I doubt the math can over ride an individual’s experience no matter how statistically insignificant that experience may be. The world did not end when I had the blowout without the spare and I am sure I would survive the experience if it happened again but I would rather not repeat it if I can. To me this insurance policy which I may never use is worth the peace of mind. If you already have the peace of mind, it make sense for you not to have the spare.

 

[Coolbreeze704]

Yes, between the motor and the towing brace. Ford does it with the F-150 Lightning and Chevy with the Silverado EV.



The opposite is true, putting it in the bed takes up a significant amount of space and a hitch mounted spare will increase aerodynamic drag.

Here are a couple pics from my Lightning. Fits pretty snuggly between bumper, ladder frame and rear drive unit.

 

[CyberGus]

Here are a couple pics from my Lightning. Fits pretty snuggly between bumper, ladder frame and rear drive unit.

This configuration is made simpler by the ladder-frame design. I doubt the skateboard/casting design of the CT has such an available void underneath.

 

[Coolbreeze704]

This configuration is made simpler by the ladder-frame design. I doubt the skateboard/casting design of the CT has such an available void underneath.

No doubt. It will be interesting what Jim "I build real trucks" Farley will do with his next gen to get a spare in that truck since it will most likely be a skateboard design I would think.

 

[MEDICALJMP]

yes.



i'd have nodded in mild agreement with this 3 months ago.

but since then, i've had a flat every month since

(I'm not *on* job sites, but I pass by several to/from work - construction crews must get kick-backs from Goodyear)

I don’t live anywhere near roofing crew jobs and in the last 4 years have gotten multiple nails, screws and bolts in my tires requiring full swap out just driving the Interstate, local highways and streets. One bolt hit the wall of the tire and required a new tire going through Interstate highway construction. In the Midwest we have 3 seasons: Autumn, Winter, and road construction.

Tire failures happened more in my driving in the 1970s-1990s. They are much rarer now. Better tires.

I will say that I see tire failures on Teslas on the local FB forum pretty regularly. Nearly all of them are on low profile tires hitting potholes or known drops into Train track crossing dips. One poor bastard had 2 tires blow at the same time! Lesson to me is don’t use low profile tires on Cybertruck.

 

[Prime8]

This configuration is made simpler by the ladder-frame design. I doubt the skateboard/casting design of the CT has such an available void underneath.

It looks to be in a similar position to where the under bed storage compartment is on the CT so there is some void though that is not even close to being big enough for a full size spare. I'm on the fence about no spare. I don't like the idea of not having one but as others have said, a compressor and patches will get you back on the road quicker and easier 90% of the time..

 

[cvalue13]

Tire failures happened more in my driving in the 1970s-1990s. They are much rarer now. Better tires.

Tesla’s position on spares I completely empathize with at a population level of engineering

But I also empathize with the buyer-individual’s level of both factual and emotional security in wanting a spare on hand

Factual in that some people do experience flats regularly.

Emotional in that spares are for some a “better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it” item

If I’m doing a Texas summer roadtrip with my three toddlers in the truck, I carry “emergency” water in the truck. Statistically, unnecessary. Emotionally, valuable.

I’ve never had to perform that calculation on a spare tire. Not sure where I land.

 

[CyberGus]

When exiting civilization, one must be prepared. I generally take all manner of backup supplies, tools, etc. if I'm going to be more than 0.5 miles from the nearest 7-11.

Does that include a spare? Ideally, yes, but I will probably opt to get by with a jack and patch kit.

 

[SpaceYooper]

Something like this is what I'll be after. I don't want it mounted to the trailer hitch. The swingarm should be part of the bumper. But the swingarm should be removable making for a nice clean bumper when I don't want to carry the spare.

 

[Coolbreeze704]

Tesla’s position on spares I completely empathize with at a population level of engineering

But I also empathize with the buyer-individual’s level of both factual and emotional security in wanting a spare on hand

Factual in that some people do experience flats regularly.

Emotional in that spares are for some a “better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it” item

If I’m doing a Texas summer roadtrip with my three toddlers in the truck, I carry “emergency” water in the truck. Statistically, unnecessary. Emotionally, valuable.

I’ve never had to perform that calculation on a spare tire. Not sure where I land.

I removed that meme based on the hypocrisy of my own sitting at a computer endlessly typing out about a truck I want. In truth though I think most people today could care about a spare since they haven't been shown how to use tools or work on things. They will call a service to fix what ever problem they have.

 

[cvalue13]

Something like this is what I'll be after. I don't want it mounted to the trailer hitch. The swingarm should be part of the bumper. But the swingarm should be removable making for a nice clean bumper when I don't want to carry the spare.

The trouble with these set ups in a cyber truck, is that around town driving you may experience a 15% reduction in range, whereas at highway speeds, you may experience a 30% reduction in range.

and at least, for early adopters who attempt this sort of thing, trouble is, you won’t find out until you’ve done all the work already.

I can’t emphasize enough the strange dynamic, whereby on the one hand pick up trucks are the most modified vehicle out there after a jeep wrangler, but once people get their hands on an electric version real quick, they start to scrutinize how badly they really want that customization.

 

[RVAC]

Weirdly, there's less distance between the Cybertruck motor and the bumper. I can't quite put my finger on why... oh, right, the Cybertruck has a longer, more stable footprint.

It has the same ~145" wheelbase.

In the bed, it can be covered by the vault.

As already stated it's a poor solution given it takes up significant space in the bed.

On the roof, aero doesn't matter at offroad speeds.

On the tailgate, aero impact is reduced.

All of them are easier to get to than disassembling thetail aero cover and hoping there's space between the main motive unit and the towing brace.

If there's room, I'm sure you can find someone to mold you a different tail aero cover to put over your 'hidden' ball and chain.

-Crissa

You also have to get there first, whether a trail or a job site it implies highway speeds. Taking a cover off is a matter of a few seconds, especially if you have power tools with you.

 

[cvalue13]

Does that include a spare? Ideally, yes, but I will probably opt to get by with a jack and patch kit.

if the onboard compressor makes it to production, I get comfortable with a patch kit real quick

little discussed on this forum as been the complete lack of any apparent location for an onboard compressor interface

which of course may be in the funk - setting aside that would seem to me an exceedingly odd choice of location

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