Musk talks Cybertruck specs (0-60, vehicle weight) & production volume on Joe Rogan podcast interview (10/31/23)

[cvalue13]

Most interesting for me is that Cybertruck is at the F250 class.

Time for Lance to design their 850 camper truck for it.

I am so done pulling a trailer and I can start dreaming of overlanding in Norway.

this is talking about weight

The Lightning with the larger 131 kWh extended-range battery has a curb weight of 6,590 lbs, and a GVWR of 8,550 lbs – which makes is a “heavy-duty” class 2b pickup truck.

Tesla has been signaling that the CT will also be a class 2b pickup truck since Dec. of 2019.

In this way, like the Lightning (which is an F150), the CT has a class 2b GVWR rating - like an F250.

This is essentially a peculiarity of a classification system that existed before the weight of battery packs shifted how much a truck weighs relative to its payload/towing capacities.

Put differently, if one were to view the battery weight as part of the vehicle's payload, as opposed to part of the vehicle's curb weight, it looks different

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[lowtek]

It was disappointing that Musk brushed off battery/range concerns as being a non issue when they will be a very real issue for anyone towing/hauling with their CT.

I don't think he necessarily brushed them off but rather just not ready to announce to the world the specs ... the guy knows people take his word as gospel ... very likely Tesla is still finalizing trims, software, etc, for the Nov 30 event.

 

[canyoncarver]

Elon wasn't addressing niche use cases like over-the-road long-distance towing, he was speaking directly to their core customers and the way they use use their trucks every day. That's why he said 240 miles of range at 80 mph was all that most people needed for range to be a total non-issue.

And with the speed at which Tesla has built out the Supercharger Network, and the projected speed of new Supercharging adds, I tend to agree 100%.

Rivian came out with their Max Pack, for a total range of 410 miles, for an additional $10K, and it's not going to be a popular option because owners are finding out that it doesn't matter, as long as they have reliable fast DC charging.

Towing/hauling is not a niche use case, at least where I am, but I agree it's only a minority of owners who do it.

As long as there is a 50% range penalty when towing a box (toy hauler, boat, etc.) people are going to be outraged about it.

I have many many neighbors that tow small trailers into the mountains and if the range when towing a 5,000 pound camper is down to 120-150 miles between chargers it is a complete non starter for them.... especially as there are many places they go with no fast charging infrastructure.

Fortunately for my use case, it's really not a concern.

 

[Gurule92]

Link to the podcast:

Details from Elon Musk:

Tesla is aiming to make 200,000 Cybertrucks per year at volume production, maybe more.​

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Cybertruck weighs up to 7,000 lbs, depending on the trim.​

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Working to get 0-60mph in under 3.0s for the Beast Mode version.​

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Tesla will release video of Cybertruck bullet test.​

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Glass is not bulletproof​

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Video of the arrow being shot at Cybertruck:

This one has the convo about the CT and the arrow clip with audio

 

[IJNYamato]

This would be true *once* production is ramped up. Until then, the more profitable tri-motor would generate both more revenue and profit for Tesla. This assumes of course batteries are not a constraint. I tend to wonder how many 4680's have been stockpiled. Realistically every single one produced after the initial Model Y variant that used them stopped being produced and should be stockpiled. Could be a rather large stash.

Are you assuming the tri-motor has a larger battery pack? ?

 

[Tinker71]

this is talking about weight

The Lightning with the larger 131 kWh extended-range battery has a curb weight of 6,590 lbs, and a GVWR of 8,550 lbs – which makes is a “heavy-duty” class 2b pickup truck.

Tesla has been signaling that the CT will also be a class 2b pickup truck since Dec. of 2019.

In this way, like the Lightning (which is an F150), the CT has a class 2b GVWR rating - like an F250.

This is essentially a peculiarity of a classification system that existed before the weight of battery packs shifted how much a truck weighs relative to its payload/towing capacities.

Put differently, if one were to view the battery weight as part of the vehicle's payload, as opposed to part of the vehicle's curb weight, it looks different

What ever you call it, 6000-7000 is heavy for a daily driver. Most users will not need the payload capacity or bullet resistance or 500 miles range yet we are all paying a weight penalty every day.

This hurts off road performance, total efficiency and tire costs.

(5) 200 lbs men plus 1500 lbs. of gear/trailer hitch capacity would be plenty. Trailers are easier to load and handle weight better IMHO. I would like the truck to weight 5500 lbs or less.

This is a mute point because the weight is fixed at this point. Just saying.

 

[canyoncarver]

There's a silver lining to the possible much higher price of CT.

Lots of people who have reservations and can't stomach the higher price along with high interest rates will end up dropping out and those with cash will possibly get their truck much faster than they might expect.

 

[canyoncarver]

What ever you call it, 6000-7000 is heavy for a daily driver. Most users will not need the payload capacity or bullet resistance or 500 miles range yet we are all paying a weight penalty every day.

This hurts off road performance, total efficiency and tire costs.

(5) 200 lbs men plus 1500 lbs. of gear/trailer hitch capacity would be plenty. Trailers are easier to load and handle weight better IMHO. I would like the truck to weight 5500 lbs or less.

This is a mute point because the weight is fixed at this point. Just saying.

I hate being that guy but I'm hardwired to point out it is "moot" point, not mute point.

 

[PilotPete]

(5) 200 lbs men plus 1500 lbs. of gear/trailer hitch capacity would be plenty. Trailers are easier to load and handle weight better IMHO. I would like the truck to weight 5500 lbs or less.

There is a big "GOTCHA" in your wishes. If someone is putting 5 men and 2500# of gear in the CT, then it is probably a business. And as a business, you would like to take the accelerated schedule 179 depreciation. EXCEPT that the vehicle must weigh 6,000# or more to take that depreciation. So his comments about "Oh, 6-7,000#" is music to the ears of business owners.

 

[Amuma]

Link to the podcast:

Details from Elon Musk:

Tesla is aiming to make 200,000 Cybertrucks per year at volume production, maybe more.​

​

Cybertruck weighs up to 7,000 lbs, depending on the trim.​

​

Working to get 0-60mph in under 3.0s for the Beast Mode version.​

​

Tesla will release video of Cybertruck bullet test.​

​

Glass is not bulletproof​

​

Video of the arrow being shot at Cybertruck:

Musk just confirmed you can customize these for full bullet proof vehicles for military, police and private security forces.

 

[Gurule92]

Musk just confirmed you can customize these for full bullet proof vehicles for military, police and private security forces.

ummmm. I think he was saying that any vehicle can add static bullet proof windows. Or he was saying that it's theoretically possible. I dont think he was saying that tesla will be doing that

 

[TyPope]

I feel like Panasonic announced a while back that they were ramping up 4680 cells and now they say they are scaling back battery production. With one of the most anticipated EVs about to hit the market, I don’t see how they could scale back if there was a supply shortage. The castings are the limiting factor. They currently have 2 gigapresses that limits them to at most 250k per year with very little down time.
The fact that he is aiming for 200k per year is a very good sign. It means we aren’t in low production, high cost model x/s territory. However this is their most complex and material heavy vehicle to date so if production numbers were equal it should cost more than the x/s IMO

Didn't Panasonic say they were scaling back 2170 domestic (Japanese market) batteries?

 

[bfayer]

ummmm. I think he was saying that any vehicle can add static bullet proof windows. Or he was saying that it's theoretically possible. I dont think he was saying that tesla will be doing that

That's what I got out of it. I really don't understand how any reasonable person could take what he said as "Tesla is going to offer bullet proof windows as an option".

 

[Crimson_Fate]

I think you will be getting this much sooner then you think.
There are going to be a large number of reservations which drop ahead of you

1) Duplicates (some people purchased several reservations with the intention to only keep one)
2) People/scalpers who bought multiple to resell. Tesla sniffs some of these out and cancels their orders
3) People Unable to secure car loans
4) People Unable to sell their existing vehicle/ pay off existing loan or sell it for enough . ( the used car market is collapsing)

So be ready ...

 

[anionic1]

You are right.

I concur doctor.

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