Foundation Series Remorse

[Gigahorse]

And while it’s fringe, Big Bend is the premier national forest in Texas - someone who lives in Austin wants to go there sometime. These scenarios are far from imagined. And while their occurrence is rare, their importance is disproportionate in the judgment of buyers.

A vehicle is supposed to transport you, been that way since horses.
There are MANY places in this great country that there are 100+ miles between superchargers, and sometimes hundreds between V3 superchargers.
If you want to get out and explore, work, vacation, etc with your vehicle it is not unreasonable to want it to get you there without running out of juice.
The 200ish miles of range on the CT may not do that without careful planning, you, myself, and others will have to consider that when making the final decision to buy or not.

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[scottf200]

that was true for first few runs i did, then i realized, set to 80F, and no change in results
my battery deg is untouched default of 5%
otherwise, unsure why my ARBP if spitting out such materially different conclusions than yours. what, again, is your efficiency assumption setting?

Did you at least like my spreadsheet? Geez, I worked hard on that along with all my testing (hahaha).

Do you mean "Reference consumption" I'm guessing.
I used Wh/mi @ 65 mph from my MotorMatchUp data since that was what ABRP is asking for as it's base reference. I assumed it would adjust that based on any speed you went from 1 mph to 80 mph.

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[Outdoors]

Wyoming hermit

If you only could see my life. You and me would be laughing so hard.

Put your order in or still pondering?

 

[scottf200]

A vehicle is supposed to transport you, been that way since horses.
There are MANY places in this great country that there are 100+ miles between superchargers, and sometimes hundreds between V3 superchargers.
If you want to get out and explore, work, vacation, etc with your vehicle it is not unreasonable to want it to get you there without running out of juice.
The 200ish miles of range on the CT may not do that without careful planning, you, myself, and others will have to consider that when making the final decision to buy or not.

Radius on these circles is 100 miles. Pretty amazing how many major roads are covered by 100 -150 miles.

 

[cvalue13]

The 200ish miles of range on the CT may not do that without careful planning, you, myself, and others will have to consider that when making the final decision to buy or not.

well, yes, if you use the vehicle for that trip - but that's not the only solution

reality is, when it comes time for me to take my two young boys out to Big Bend for their first time, I wont do it in my Lightning

Not because it's not do-able, but because there's no upside in it for me. I'll have two young kids in my vehicle, and even with an inordinately low likelihood of some SOC mishap, the risk-adjusted consequences just aren't... comfortable. add on top of all that, the significant extra charge time, which also just isn't ... comfortable.

i'll instead rent a vehicle for that trip. problem solved.

to which someone responds something along the lines of, 'but why would you want a vehicle where in certain situations you have to rent another vehicle'


which for me is a painfully obvious example of the entire trade-off of an BEV truck

what 'inconvenience' there is to renting a vehicle for a trip to Big Bend (not much inconvenience, honestly), is wildly offset by the year-round benefits of owning the BEV truck.

I mean, everywhere I travel that I use an airplane is also a place that my vehicle can't take me, on an all-things-considered basis.

nobody's here making the argument of, "why would you buy an ICE truck that doesn't get you to alaska"

an ICE truck doesn't get me to Alaska because it can't - it doesn't get me to Alaska because it's just not how I choose to spend my time and effort. so i rent an airplane seat.

 

[Woodrick]

Overview: I downloaded my examples and did some spreadsheet string/data parsing ('## mi' & '# h ## min') and math to come up with a formula for average MPH. This let me compare charging and drive durations for all 4 of my examples. Also showed my max speed was working as expected.

Interesting are you saying that the faster you go, the faster you get there? Even though you may have to charge about an hour longer? That can't be true.

But yet in practice it is true.


In that speed limit map, I could swear that the Dallas loop Interstates are faster then 70, I was remembering 80-85 mph when I was last there. It was freaking me out when driving in morning rush hour back to the airport.

 

[cvalue13]

If you only could see my life. You and me would be laughing so hard.

nah, I'm sure it's fantastic - one of the most beautiful states on the continent, and able to throw around the GDP of Haiti on a truck shaped like a triangle?

all wonderful problems to have

Put your order in or still pondering?

oh no, Tesla still hasn't deemed me blessed enough yet for an invitation - they're instead skipping right over me to xtwitter influenzas, etc., instead

but at present, the feeling is mutual - we both agree i should have more time before being put to the decision

 

[Outdoors]

nah, I'm sure it's fantastic - one of the most beautiful states on the continent, and able to throw around the GDP of Haiti on a truck shaped like a triangle?

all wonderful problems to have



oh no, Tesla still hasn't deemed me blessed enough yet for an invitation - they're instead skipping right over me to xtwitter influenzas, etc., instead

but at present, the feeling is mutual - we both agree i should have more time before being put to the decision

I don't live in Wyoming. Maybe your new matrix mind missed that. People from Wyoming are pretty cool. Rough as well. I hear they like to kick a Texans behind every time they get a chance.

Good luck on the choice. Yet I am sure the matrix is keeping you well informed.

What is Xtwitter? Would hate for all the people picking up trucks having the flu. That could be horrible.

 

[Woodrick]

Radius on these circles is 100 miles. Pretty amazing how many major roads are covered by 100 -150 miles.

Tesla has built the network to support at least the RWD Model 3, with a 272 mile stated range.

And they are growing every day.

 

[cvalue13]

Did you at least like my spreadsheet? Geez, I worked hard on that along with all my testing (hahaha).

Do you mean "Reference consumption" I'm guessing.
I used Wh/mi @ 65 mph from my MotorMatchUp data since that was what ABRP is asking for as it's base reference. I assumed it would adjust that based on any speed you went from 1 mph to 80 mph.

yes i do love your spreadsheet, sorry, and thank you!!

btw, reviewing your chart, i think i realized what may be one delta in our 'experiments'

appears your default setting is to a 200lb driver and no other payload?


mine assumes a driver plus 660lb of additional payload. i honestly don't know if that's the app default, or if some time years back i entered that as my working assumption (given that when i go long distance, it's with some stuff

do you think that plus the 5% degradation assumptions combined would be enough to make-or-break?

 

[cvalue13]

I don't live in Wyoming.

sorry, Montana? love it just as much

despite being AI, I don't spend much time researching you or your posts

Starting to do some of research on your posts.

 

[Outdoors]

sorry, Montana? love it just as much

despite being AI, I don't spend much time researching you or your posts

Yet you know everything. Or maybe it's not you that knows anything.

 

[scottf200]

Interesting are you saying that the faster you go, the faster you get there? Even though you may have to charge about an hour longer? That can't be true.
But yet in practice it is true.

As we know, there is always a point of diminishing returns in travel speed vs time it takes to recoup/refill that kWh energy at the charger. It has changed over the years as the cars and batteries have. I recall long long ago so may threads and spreadsheets on calculating the 'best' speed limit to travel the 'fastest'. At one point in time it was ~72 mph.

In that speed limit map, I could swear that the Dallas loop Interstates are faster then 70, I was remembering 80-85 mph when I was last there. It was freaking me out when driving in morning rush hour back to the airport.

Some search I did found it so it may not be current. Cool visual none-the-less I thought.

 

[scottf200]

yes i do love your spreadsheet, sorry, and thank you!!

btw, reviewing your chart, i think i realized what may be one delta in our 'experiments'

appears your default setting is to a 200lb driver and no other payload?

mine assumes a driver plus 660lb of additional payload. i honestly don't know if that's the app default, or if some time years back i entered that as my working assumption (given that when i go long distance, it's with some stuff

do you think that plus the 5% degradation assumptions combined would be enough to make-or-break?

I still had that screen up so I tested with these options (matching above) but it still worked. You got a lemon, man.

 

[Woodrick]

A vehicle is supposed to transport you, been that way since horses.
There are MANY places in this great country that there are 100+ miles between superchargers, and sometimes hundreds between V3 superchargers.
If you want to get out and explore, work, vacation, etc with your vehicle it is not unreasonable to want it to get you there without running out of juice.
The 200ish miles of range on the CT may not do that without careful planning, you, myself, and others will have to consider that when making the final decision to buy or not.

RTOFLMAO

Pretty much all of my trips are out to explore. I really haven't though much about whether my car could make it or not for years.
I will admit that I've spent enough time on the forums to know the routes that may sometime be questionable, but even they aren't a problem anymore, because Tesla added a fill-in Supercharger.

And as to "careful planning" Go to the truck, push the button. Say "Navigate to" and your location. The truck will tell you if you can get there and how to do it. It doesn't require careful planning.
And as long as you are routing somewhere, the truck will watch out after you. If it realizes that you may have hit more headwind that expected or faster than expected, it will suggest what you can do to get to your destination, it may only be reduce your speed to a certain number, but it will get you there.

My Teslas have become some of the most spontaneous cars in my life. And I've always been known to change my mind at the last minute.
Made a trip from Atlanta to Cocoa Beach with the nieces one time. Truly the day before I asked if they wanted to go see a SpaceX launch. We left, went swimming in the ocean, saw the evening launch, spent a long time in the museum and drove back in 36 hours.

It's too easy to have a lot of fun in a Tesla!

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