FSD JAIL RANT

[ewkplymi]

Bought our CyberTruck on 30 September 2024 and installed FSD as soon as it was available. FSD was recently put in JAIL for one week for the first time ever. I believe it was due to the “Apply Slight Force To The Steering Wheel” messages and me applying to much force to the steering wheel on numerous occasions and FSD turning off. Before FSD was put in jail and when the “Apply Slight Force To The Steering Wheel” message would appear, we would have to stop/park, and both get out of the CT and get back in the CT to continue our trip with FSD. This was quite annoying as it was. But turning off FSD for one week is insane. How about one day instead of a week if we have to be penalized at all? Just having FSD turning off until the next park/drive should be enough of a penalty.

While FSD was in jail this week my 80-year-old wife fell and I had to take her to the Hospital for Xray/CT scans to be evaluated for injury. I couldn’t use FSD to drive us to the Hospital. We are using and relying on FSD more than ever and I did not appreciate the one week in jail penalty or the fact that I paid for LIFETIME FSD when we purchased a Foundation Series CT. Didn’t know that it came with one-week penalties.

We love our CT and feel truly blessed to own it at this stage in our lives.

Hoping that Tesla follows the forum and gets the message.

Also, would appreciate not getting negative feedback on using FSD. Just wanted to express my opinion.

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[SCTesla]

You have to watch the road. You can't use your phone or mess with the screen too much. It's a level 2 system, so Tesla has to ensure you are supervising as it can still make serious mistakes.

The turning the wheel prompt comes up if you are wearing a hat and it can't see your eyes or you aren't looking forward.

 

[Outdoors]

One week is so you can figure out and think. Hey I might be using this incorrectly. Now is the time to figure out. Over time the strikes will remove, and you can start again.

Safety has to come first, or the senator from Massachustes comes for our FSD. Ed Markey will hold hearings, and take my roadtrip fun away because of people that won't take the time. People already know how to drive. This is a privlage to be had. If one doesn't understand. They need to learn how to use correctly.

Sorry to hear about wife. Yet not relevant in this case.

 

[CyberGus]

If you get a strike, and must park to re-start, then FSD has concluded that you’re not paying attention.

FSD is really good, but still must be supervised.

 

[Boyne]

Bought our CyberTruck on 30 September 2024 and installed FSD as soon as it was available. FSD was recently put in JAIL for one week for the first time ever. I believe it was due to the “Apply Slight Force To The Steering Wheel” messages and me applying to much force to the steering wheel on numerous occasions and FSD turning off. Before FSD was put in jail and when the “Apply Slight Force To The Steering Wheel” message would appear, we would have to stop/park, and both get out of the CT and get back in the CT to continue our trip with FSD. This was quite annoying as it was. But turning off FSD for one week is insane. How about one day instead of a week if we have to be penalized at all? Just having FSD turning off until the next park/drive should be enough of a penalty.

While FSD was in jail this week my 80-year-old wife fell and I had to take her to the Hospital for Xray/CT scans to be evaluated for injury. I couldn’t use FSD to drive us to the Hospital. We are using and relying on FSD more than ever and I did not appreciate the one week in jail penalty or the fact that I paid for LIFETIME FSD when we purchased a Foundation Series CT. Didn’t know that it came with one-week penalties.

We love our CT and feel truly blessed to own it at this stage in our lives.

Hoping that Tesla follows the forum and gets the message.

Also, would appreciate not getting negative feedback on using FSD. Just wanted to express my opinion.

Eyes on the road, proper use of FSD and respect for the technology is recommended. Been using FSD for years as I paid for FSD even before it was released. I have never had more than one or two strikes and feel that current policy of FSD suspension very, very generous with little to no memory of past performance and currently lacks restrictions for repeated issues with inattentive with demonstrated disregard for safety.

 

[eswimm]

Bought our CyberTruck on 30 September 2024 and installed FSD as soon as it was available. FSD was recently put in JAIL for one week for the first time ever. I believe it was due to the “Apply Slight Force To The Steering Wheel” messages and me applying to much force to the steering wheel on numerous occasions and FSD turning off. Before FSD was put in jail and when the “Apply Slight Force To The Steering Wheel” message would appear, we would have to stop/park, and both get out of the CT and get back in the CT to continue our trip with FSD. This was quite annoying as it was. But turning off FSD for one week is insane. How about one day instead of a week if we have to be penalized at all? Just having FSD turning off until the next park/drive should be enough of a penalty.

While FSD was in jail this week my 80-year-old wife fell and I had to take her to the Hospital for Xray/CT scans to be evaluated for injury. I couldn’t use FSD to drive us to the Hospital. We are using and relying on FSD more than ever and I did not appreciate the one week in jail penalty or the fact that I paid for LIFETIME FSD when we purchased a Foundation Series CT. Didn’t know that it came with one-week penalties.

We love our CT and feel truly blessed to own it at this stage in our lives.

Hoping that Tesla follows the forum and gets the message.

Also, would appreciate not getting negative feedback on using FSD. Just wanted to express my opinion.

It sounds like you're relying upon your Tesla to be an autonomous vehicle, which it is not. FSD may eventually be what you need it to be, but it isn't that yet.

 

[cyberstocker]

elon said your driving is subpar. Now you must sit in the corner for a week.

 

[SlegMD]

Use as intended to avoid strikes and penalties

 

[dalton108]

@ewkplymi

What you have to understand is that in the current build of FSD if it’s telling you that you need to put your hands on the steering wheel it’s doing that because you’re not looking at the road. That (torque based monitoring) is not a normal feature any longer.

So, you’re already in trouble when it’s telling you to put your hands on the steering wheel. After you put your hands on the steering wheel and refocus your attention on the road, it will give you vision-based monitoring again which means you can take your hands off the steering wheel.

But understand, critically, the “put your hands on the wheel notice” is the direct equivalent of your parent telling you that they’re going to count to three and then there’s going to be consequences.

If they keep telling you that they’re going to count to three, eventually we’re going to skip over the counting and go straight to the consequences, because you’re not getting it. That’s what’s happening to you right now.

If your wife is 80 (speedy recovery by the way), I’m assuming you’re that age or older, so, I want to be respectful to you (unlike some of my colleagues here), and applaud you for taking the step to be out here using this newfangled whizbang technology. Kudos to you! My dad is in his late 70s and my mother-in-law in her early 80s and I love that you’re all using cutting edge technology!

But, you’ve got to process what the car is trying to tell you. It doesn’t want your hands on the wheel - at all - it wants you looking at the road. If you’re not doing that, hands on the wheel (which used to be the standard operating procedure) is now a precursor to being shut down.

Some of us, myself included, have argued that Tesla should allow us to choose torque based monitoring if we want it. Others have proposed a way to trick the car into defaulting to torque-based monitoring and right now, that’s by putting a hat on and making sure that your eyes are obscured. Then, touch will be the default mode for interacting with the car, but that’s basically a low-key hack.

100% (or at least 99.2%) eyeball-based attention to the road is what’s expected of you in FSD, currently. Anything else is a one-way ticket to Strikesville, Daddio! (Is that how you guys used to talk? idk! ?)

 

[jeff.mcclure.sr]

Bought our CyberTruck on 30 September 2024 and installed FSD as soon as it was available. FSD was recently put in JAIL for one week for the first time ever. I believe it was due to the “Apply Slight Force To The Steering Wheel” messages and me applying to much force to the steering wheel on numerous occasions and FSD turning off. Before FSD was put in jail and when the “Apply Slight Force To The Steering Wheel” message would appear, we would have to stop/park, and both get out of the CT and get back in the CT to continue our trip with FSD. This was quite annoying as it was. But turning off FSD for one week is insane. How about one day instead of a week if we have to be penalized at all? Just having FSD turning off until the next park/drive should be enough of a penalty.

While FSD was in jail this week my 80-year-old wife fell and I had to take her to the Hospital for Xray/CT scans to be evaluated for injury. I couldn’t use FSD to drive us to the Hospital. We are using and relying on FSD more than ever and I did not appreciate the one week in jail penalty or the fact that I paid for LIFETIME FSD when we purchased a Foundation Series CT. Didn’t know that it came with one-week penalties.

We love our CT and feel truly blessed to own it at this stage in our lives.

Hoping that Tesla follows the forum and gets the message.

Also, would appreciate not getting negative feedback on using FSD. Just wanted to express my opinion.

I love the truck and I agree with the 80 year old owner. I am also 81 years old. Jail time is ridiculous.

 

[Redfire]

I think the jail time is working as intended.

 

[ldiebel]

This isn't so much a Tesla thing, I think it driven by NHTSA.
They hate Tesla.
They do everything they can to force Tesla recalls, even if it's just a software update they make Tesla send out recall letters.

NHTSA aspires to be "Big Brother" and uses their power to try to hurt Tesla and make Autopilot and FSD less useful. And they're succeeding.
I ended up getting locked out for a week when Tesla was first forced to implement the lockout.
The red light detection was buggy and would mistake a flashing yellow light for a red light. I have one just around the corner that I go through routinely. Autopilot would panic thinking I was driving through a red light. I didn't know about the added week long strike out deal, so I just treated the red light issue as a nuisance, as I always had, but nope, I was locked out because of Tesla's problem distinguishing a flashing yellow light from a red light.
I ended up turning off "Red Light Detection" to avoid the issue. Less safe, since even in it's imperfect form it would warn me of a real red light coming up. Not worth the risk of getting locked out though.
That's with Autopilot, I don't thin FSD has the problem with Red Light Detection.

I would love to just have the basic Autopilot on my 2019 M3. You just put pressure on the steering wheel, three strikes and you had to pull over and put it in park.
Also, allowed speed set to 90 mph (great for driving in the west).

Don't get me wrong, I think the safety's are good and necessary, I just think they're too strict.
I fought FSD all the way on our trip to Utah and back from Florida. Ended up with one strike out.

I think it's ironic that messages are coming up, warnings etc and when I look at them, I'm told to look at the road. Even when it tells me to look at the road, I'm trying to see the flashing message go away out of the corner of my eye, since I can't look at the screen to verify.

In general, I wear a hat. I much prefer slight pressure on the steering wheel over big brother watching me.

After all this rant, I still love Autopilot/FSD and find it very useful.
I like Autopilot better for trips on the highway.
I wish the Cybertruck had Autopilot, but it probably never will.

I certainly sympathize with your rant, especially that FSD was unavailable at a critical time.
I sure hope everything goes well with your wife.

 

[REM]

Have you by chance researched any tips/tricks for using FSD for a better experience?

 

[bg002h]

Bought our CyberTruck on 30 September 2024 and installed FSD as soon as it was available. FSD was recently put in JAIL for one week for the first time ever. I believe it was due to the “Apply Slight Force To The Steering Wheel” messages and me applying to much force to the steering wheel on numerous occasions and FSD turning off. Before FSD was put in jail and when the “Apply Slight Force To The Steering Wheel” message would appear, we would have to stop/park, and both get out of the CT and get back in the CT to continue our trip with FSD. This was quite annoying as it was. But turning off FSD for one week is insane. How about one day instead of a week if we have to be penalized at all? Just having FSD turning off until the next park/drive should be enough of a penalty.

While FSD was in jail this week my 80-year-old wife fell and I had to take her to the Hospital for Xray/CT scans to be evaluated for injury. I couldn’t use FSD to drive us to the Hospital. We are using and relying on FSD more than ever and I did not appreciate the one week in jail penalty or the fact that I paid for LIFETIME FSD when we purchased a Foundation Series CT. Didn’t know that it came with one-week penalties.

We love our CT and feel truly blessed to own it at this stage in our lives.

Hoping that Tesla follows the forum and gets the message.

Also, would appreciate not getting negative feedback on using FSD. Just wanted to express my opinion.

Tesla doesn’t understand driving. They are run by a bunch of sissy boys and Karens. I am appalled at the so called attention monitoring system and sick of its false positives. The camera in the cab was a mistake.

 

[scottf200]

But, you’ve got to process what the car is trying to tell you. It doesn’t want your hands on the wheel - at all - it wants you looking at the road. If you’re not doing that, hands on the wheel (which used to be the standard operating procedure) is now a precursor to being shut down.

I think this is incorrect. Point me to any Tesla documenation that shows that.

What EXACTLY does the message say when you invoke FSD ... it says to keep your hands on the wheel at all time. Check the msg.

What EXACTLY does the CT manual say about using FSD ... it explicitly says to keep your hands on the wheel at all time. Just because the system is letting people get away with it does NOT mean it is not required per Tesla and people are making things up / misrepresenting what Tesla explicitly says *each* time FSD is started.

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