How often do you use FSD?

[Jhodgesatmb]

unless you have more money than you know what to do with, subscribe to FSD. It can be turned off for a while if you find yourself not using it as much.

If you purchase outright and the truck gets totaled, you are SOL.

Why even subscribe? Every time a major release comes out Tesla gives a free month. They can test for free and if it ever hits their personal threshold they can subscribe or buy then.

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[Jhodgesatmb]

If you own the car for 5 years, you are paying $133 per month for FSD.

If you own it for less than that, you are paying the equivalent of a higher monthly payment.

Those crazy enough to finance FSD with the vehicles are paying even more.

Again, I've bought it previously, but it's not the best financial decision and hasn't been since launch.

My wife is still pissed that I bought it on our Model 3. I am a bit pissed that I bought it on our Model Y though it was great having it on long-distance trips.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

unless you have more money than you know what to do with, subscribe to FSD. It can be turned off for a while if you find yourself not using it as much.

If you purchase outright and the truck gets totaled, you are SOL.

That is just one viable scenario that Tesla should be considering in deciding whether to link FSD to the owner or the car. I have heard them say that linking FSD to the owner is too hard but I think it is a BS rationalization for not wanting to do it.

 

[REM]

Not if you insure it for replacement value.

I believe the vehicle has to be sold with it, so if you purchase later you are on your own. Right?

 

[REM]

That is just one viable scenario that Tesla should be considering in deciding whether to link FSD to the owner or the car. I have heard them say that linking FSD to the owner is too hard but I think it is a BS rationalization for not wanting to do it.

Well, from a software billing perspective how do you tie it to the person? Should the person get FSD on any car they have access to? I have been thinking of a few idea to submit to Telsa regarding FSD subscriptions. One thought I've had is being able to subscribe to FSD on a monthly basis, but your rate is charged per mile driven, with a cap out at the current rate of $100 per month.

I believe that will allow people to rationalize how much they use it while also keeping the cost low if you don't end up using it as often. Telsa would be able to snatch up a lot of fence sitters with that strategy.

 

[mcorf]

In speaking with a Tesla rep during a recent service center visit, I learned that FSD can be bought at any time after purchasing a Cybertruck. With an $8k price tag, it definitely adds lot to the final price of the vehicle. How often do you use FSD? 1-10, mostly never to every time you drive.

Autopilot seems to work just fine for the use case of keeping one's lane and reducing driving fatigue on the highway. Wondering what the community's thoughts were.

I use it almost every day.

 

[big.garcilla]

FSD on the truck is not bad, a few scares. One was serious enough requiring a hard braking on a bridge.

It is getting better, good for long drives and traffic. I wouldn't trust it in urban areas.

 

[WormtownKris]

Hey, Hey, hey...easy on the 70 thing. The Beast is the most dynamic and fun vehicle I have ever driven but there is a degree of earned decadence about sitting back in the driver's seat, sipping on a cup of coffee and being chauffeured about while you still are in control. It's like having a silent Uber driver, except you are sitting in his/her seat.

No offense intended, Santa. In 2018 we immediately paid for FSD for our Model 3. I am an advocate for it, and I do fully expect to lean on it in the future. And if I was routinely going for long drives, I'd probably lean into it now. But in the context of this thread, I honestly have not wanted to use it yet. Just cuz this thing is so fun. (And my use case is largely shortish drives). I readily admit I am in the minority who do not use FSD. Cheers!

 

[Gritted Cybe]

No offense intended, Santa. In 2018 we immediately paid for FSD for our Model 3. I am an advocate for it, and I do fully expect to lean on it in the future. And if I was routinely going for long drives, I'd probably lean into it now. But in the context of this thread, I honestly have not wanted to use it yet. Just cuz this thing is so fun. (And my use case is largely shortish drives). I readily admit I am in the minority who do not use FSD. Cheers!

The truck is incredible to drive. feels like a regular passenger vehicle.

 

[HaulingAss]

Unsupervised FSD is still at least a year away, some believe much longer than that....

Believe what you want, just know the life of the vehicle is 10-20 years, the typical person keeps a new vehicle for around 5-6 years and we have no idea how much FSD will cost then.

It's all a gamble, but to say it's the safest financial decision to just subscribe because it's cheaper now vs. buying, especially factoring in the unknowns is like saying it is safer to invest in a 401k instead of buying Bitcoin right now...sure Bitcoin could shoot up to $1 million per coin, like people predict, but it's more of a risk and not a financially responsible.

Of course, buying FSD for $8K now has an element of risk (but it's not Bitcoin levels of risk), so does renting it for $99/month (because the rental amount has zero guarantee it won't double or quadruple), the question is, what is the risk to reward ratio?

I would venture to say buying it for $8K is a good deal. In our society, people without the money to invest are often the ones who can't take advantage of the best deals. I'm talking about people that have to rent instead of own. Sometimes renting is the better deal, but thinking this is one of those times makes me wonder if you've been paying attention to the progress of FSD.

 

[rtfitch]

No offense intended, Santa. In 2018 we immediately paid for FSD for our Model 3. I am an advocate for it, and I do fully expect to lean on it in the future. And if I was routinely going for long drives, I'd probably lean into it now. But in the context of this thread, I honestly have not wanted to use it yet. Just cuz this thing is so fun. (And my use case is largely shortish drives). I readily admit I am in the minority who do not use FSD. Cheers!

It’s all good my friend, all good. Santa works a little side gig 2!days a week and it is only 1.5 miles away and., of course, I must set a new record every time I drive the route…FSD is not engaged.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Well, from a software billing perspective how do you tie it to the person? Should the person get FSD on any car they have access to? I have been thinking of a few idea to submit to Telsa regarding FSD subscriptions. One thought I've had is being able to subscribe to FSD on a monthly basis, but your rate is charged per mile driven, with a cap out at the current rate of $100 per month.

I believe that will allow people to rationalize how much they use it while also keeping the cost low if you don't end up using it as often. Telsa would be able to snatch up a lot of fence sitters with that strategy.

I am a bit confused by your first question. We all have many accounts associated with hardware and software. Examples: cell phones, ISPs, cable TV, even appliances. So that is not an issue.

 

[HaulingAss]

I believe the vehicle has to be sold with it, so if you purchase later you are on your own. Right?

If you insure your car for replacement value, and it get's totaled, you should be compensated enough, minus deductible, to buy the same model year car, with the same mileage and features (including FSD) as the car that was totaled. Of course, no matter what, you will be out at least your deductible, but the claim was if your car has FSD, and it gets totaled, you are SOL. That's only true if not insured for replacement value.

 

[Black306]

Well, from a software billing perspective how do you tie it to the person? Should the person get FSD on any car they have access to? I have been thinking of a few idea to submit to Telsa regarding FSD subscriptions. One thought I've had is being able to subscribe to FSD on a monthly basis, but your rate is charged per mile driven, with a cap out at the current rate of $100 per month.

I believe that will allow people to rationalize how much they use it while also keeping the cost low if you don't end up using it as often. Telsa would be able to snatch up a lot of fence sitters with that strategy.

This is my idea….an FSD license should follow the account/car. If I buy an FSD license, I can apply it to say my M3P. If I sell the M3P and buy a Y, I can transfer it to the Y in my account (just an example; I don't own a Y). Anyone driving my M3P, or the fictitious Y, would have access to FSD.

To help prevent sharing, there could be a transfer limit between vehicles of once a month. Even then, all the vehicles FSD could be applied to would have to be within the same account. So if I was planning a trip in the CT, I could transfer it to that vehicle. A month later, return it back to the M3P. Doubt most people would be willing to share a primary account with friends/family and load up 1 account with a bunch of cars.

Another IMO, that would be a great way to incentivize people to keep purchasing new Tesla vehicles rather than getting another brand; buy a new Tesla and retain use of an FSD license, or buy another brand and lose FSD.

 

[GmP]

I use my FS AWS mostly for commuting to/from work, 12 miles each way. As I did not have any truck nor Tesla/EV driving experience before I bought the CT I spend the first three months on getting comfortable driving it myself. Weight, size, electric acceleration, four wheel steering, etc. Learned that it was easy and fun to drive, even on just those commutes. Started trying FSD after those three months, at first very carefully. Now use it four or five times of the ten commute rides, the others I just like to drive myself. Will now increase the use for commuting a little more but not to 100%.
Used it a few times during errands runs, but my wife doesn't yet feel comfortable with it, so can increase that only slowly.
Have some long trips on the calendar where I will use it, but not done yet.
I am 70y, so need a little more time than younger generations to get comfortable with it.

In all my use I had one intervention, but that was maybe just me getting nervous. It wanted to go in a hole in traffic where another car wanted to go. So I stopped it by correcting the direction by turning the steering “wheel”. Not sure what the outcome would have been if I just had let it go?

On buying versus subscribing: it is not that I have more money than I know what to do with, but I wanted FSD. I paid for the FS because FSD was included, together with lifetime connectivity. And I didn’t buy it for any future financial reason.

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