How Will You Use FSD?

[Michael Dobbs]

I want to preface this by saying i don't know much about the technical aspects of fsd.
I did not order it because i enjoy driving and it would be nerve wracking for me.

1. When fsd is ready, do you have to monitor it still or can you sit in back seat and be chauffeured around?

2. Do you just input an address and sit for the ride. What about detours and flexibility?

3. Do you trust it enough to take a nap enroute or send it on taxi mode to pick up your kids from school?

4. Do you plan to monitor it from drivers seat always or sometimes. If always, what is there to gain?

5. Does full fsd turn a vehicle into an appliance like a-b conveyance?

I have a model S with FSD. You are absolutely right. It is nerve racking!
The car tries to drive itself but where I live (central California), there is no way for my poor car can successfully contend with the crazy aggressive drivers who continuously surround me on the streets. Until their cars are as curtious as the Tesla tries to be, it will not work. Even in the “aggressive mode” the car’s behavior only frustrates everyone around you so your constantly having people honk their horns or give you the look
Then there’s also the problem the car has in city traffic with intersections and turning. It disengages itself more often than not when attempting those maneuvers.
i also have a few roundabouts in my area that the car just can’t handle. It never successfully gets through one. Without giving up and disengaging itself.
It is certainly more effort and stress trying to let the car try to do its thing but be prepared to take over immediately when it decides it can’t handle the situation..

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[Michael Dobbs]

I do need to say that on the freeway the car can hold its own and stay out of trouble, but enhanced autopilot gives you that without having to pay for FSD.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I want to preface this by saying i don't know much about the technical aspects of fsd.
I did not order it because i enjoy driving and it would be nerve wracking for me.

1. When fsd is ready, do you have to monitor it still or can you sit in back seat and be chauffeured around?

2. Do you just input an address and sit for the ride. What about detours and flexibility?

3. Do you trust it enough to take a nap enroute or send it on taxi mode to pick up your kids from school?

4. Do you plan to monitor it from drivers seat always or sometimes. If always, what is there to gain?

5. Does full fsd turn a vehicle into an appliance like a-b conveyance?

Are you asking how it is 'today' or are you asking for sometime in the future? If today:

1. Right now today, 'I' have to monitor it closely and, on city streets at least, it is more stressful driving with it (much more) than without it even though what it does well it does very well. You just don't know for sure when it will not do something well, and it requires your hands on the wheel and your eyes focused on the road at all times. Even though that may already be the case it is stressful being told to do it and being monitored. On the highway it is actually much closer to 'sit back and relax' though it doesn't let you do that.
2. Today you input an address and it does the rest, though it doesn't handle parking lots or parking garages well at all and it will not reverse itself.
3. No
4. There are 2 'future' gains for me: (a) the driving stress levels will go down significantly, and (b) as I age I will retain my mobility w/o babysittting by someone else.
5. Maybe in the future but certainly not today.

No one on earth knows the answers to your questions beyond 'today' so there is little point in asking. Anyone can send you the SAE Autonomy table that articulates what Levels 0-5 are. Even in Levels 3 and 4 there are strict definitions of when the driver must take over and that is any time you are told to. Only Level 5 removes the steering wheel altogether, and no one knows if or when general autonomous driving (i.e., no geofencing or other constraints) will be allowed by regulators. My money is really on Tesla being able to have a Level 3 or 4 system system even if the driver has to be in the driver seat. As long as it can safely drive the car I will be happy.

 

[Sirfun]

In theory this sounds good, but while your points about the potential benefits of FSD for your family are valid, I believe that regulatory hurdles are crucial for ensuring the safety and reliability of self-driving technology. Placing an elderly family member or a special needs individual in a vehicle that hasn't passed these regulations might pose unforeseen risks.

I see this is your first message after joining our community today. That's awesome I feel honored that you did that, and I agree with you. There would be risk involved. I ride E-bikes with my son all the time. And he does occassionally make some poor choices , like riding in the middle of the road in residential neighborhoods. I highly doubt his mom and I would want to work towards him getting a license, or having him be responsible for his actions while driving. On the other hand, my mother-in-law recently had to re-test for her license. With my help studying and taking practice tests, she passed the test and is able to still have a DL for 4 more years. This is where I can possibly see the potential for her legally driving the CT and using FSD as an aid to drive short distances around town.
Thanks again for taking the time to comment. Life is about making choices and evaluating risks. At some point even the mom-in-law shouldn't be driving. Hopefully by that time, the Cybertruck will be legally able to drive itself with both of them using it as a robotaxi.

 

[CyberGus]

As a "control enthusiast" I doubt I will ever desire to nap while my car drives for me.

That said, I'm looking forward to relaxing in the driver's seat while paying attention. Of course there are risks, but even the human drivers have frailties that cannot be eliminated. Also, you cannot control the actions of other vehicles.

 

[Prime8]

Here in San Francisco I see dozens of fully autonomous cars driving around every day with nobody inside, it was weird at first but it's surprising how quickly you get used to it. I said I would never use FSD but I'm sure we will all get used to it too once it becomes commonplace on our cars.

 

[scottf200]

FSD is a set of autonomous driving features, most notably enhanced autopilot, summon and reverse summon, and city streets driving. At present FSD city streets is in beta, meaning that it is not ready for public use and most definitely is Level 2 and must be monitored very carefully. Also, these features are not integrated so they are separate capabilities.

as mentioned, the mechanics of the FSD features are a bit orthogonal to the regulatory levels of autonomous driving. Even if the FSD features were all perfect it might take years for the various local, state, federal, and country agencies to clear it for autonomous driving without a driver.

That said, I reserved my CT with FSD with the hope of maintaining my mobility/autonomy as I age. I also love to drive but would love a system that hat could “ride shotgun” when I drive and keep me from doing something stupid. So I figure I have a few years for them to get the wrinkles ironed out. I would likely never share my truck with anyone.

I do not labor under the illusion of level 5 autonomy anytime soon, but FSD with an integrated feature set and good enough for a majority of conditions would make driving much more pleasant than driving it a world of zombies and crazies.

For reference, I probably have miles under my belt of ..
70000+ on AutoPilot (25% suburb & 75% highway) and
15000+ on FSD (15% suburb & 85% highway).

I used FSDbeta regularly and while at times it is fairly good, much of the time you have babysit it cautiously or it will definitely cause you or others accidents. On a trip a few weeks back, it tried to take a turning lane on a highway at 70+ when FSD and trip planning displayed it was going straight ... I had to quickly take over or I was going off the road IMO. Others are reporting this turning lane issue too. One of many examples of it screwing up.

In my opinions, with just cameras and their current placement (b-pillar behind the head of driver), I don't think Tesla will ever really be fully self-driving where there is not a driver at the steering wheel. Maybe "eyes on; hands off" like others are doing now on the highway. Mobileye SuperVision is the best camera only ADAS I've seen. Many others are better using multiple radar (and maybe some lidar). HD radar gets way closer to some features of lidar.

HW4 has some way better cameras (resolution and width). Most FSD people are on HW2.5/3.
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[PilotPete]

There was a time when we didn’t trust the adaptive cruise control. And for good reason! Now, I don’t stress in the M3/MY in any kind of traffic.

Right now, FSD does a pretty good job, but we aren’t used to it, and it makes us nervous. And for a good reason. In a few years, it won’t be a big deal.

But imagine this scenario. Your CT departs your office to go pick up your 12 year old daughter from school. When you summon the CT to come pick you up from work, it tells you it will be an hour before the CT gets to you! Why??? Because the CT is all the way on the other end of town at some mall and your daughter is shopping and hanging out with friends! You locked the destination to only take her home, but Jason (that little bastard!) showed your little princess how to hack the destination lock! And now she has full “Elon Mode” access! And before you can get the CT to leave the mall and pick you up, that SOB Jason (who is 13yo) and your princess are sitting in the back bench seat on the way to a friggin’ WATERPARK! You try to override their destination but that freakin’ weasel JASON has locked you out of your own dang car! SONOFA..

And you will wish for the good ol’ days when you made 3 car payments instead of 1 and you paid for a babysitter to make sure that Jason stayed away from your house when your daughter was home.

 

[TyPope]

There are levels to autonomous driving. Tesla is currently at level 2. Level 3 will still require a human driver to take over when needed. Level 4 does not require a driver, but has limitations on when and where it can drive. Level 5 is full self driving. It does not require a driver and can drive anywhere a human can.*

So once we hit Level 4 and 5, you do not have to monitor, you can be chauffeured, you can take a nap, have it pick up the kids at school (although I'm curious if there'll be a way to not allow control inputs in FSD mode. What happens when the 5 year old decides to play with the moving steering wheel). Level 4 might not be able to handle detours but, by definition, Level 5 should be able to.

* Level 5 does not include off roading.

With steer by wire and brake by wire, theoretically, you could limit manual inputs.

 

[TyPope]

I have a model S with FSD. You are absolutely right. It is nerve racking!
The car tries to drive itself but where I live (central California), there is no way for my poor car can successfully contend with the crazy aggressive drivers who continuously surround me on the streets. Until their cars are as curtious as the Tesla tries to be, it will not work. Even in the “aggressive mode” the car’s behavior only frustrates everyone around you so your constantly having people honk their horns or give you the look
Then there’s also the problem the car has in city traffic with intersections and turning. It disengages itself more often than not when attempting those maneuvers.
i also have a few roundabouts in my area that the car just can’t handle. It never successfully gets through one. Without giving up and disengaging itself.
It is certainly more effort and stress trying to let the car try to do its thing but be prepared to take over immediately when it decides it can’t handle the situation..

I think that's why he said "When FSD is ready"

 

[NJturtlePower]

FSD is a myth...always has been and continues to be.

Had a Model 3 (HW3) loaner just yesterday with latest FSD Beta on it...... Had about 5 deactivations in my 100 or so miles of mixed use.

Straight highway cruising is fine, on/off ramps, exits and merging is wild and inconsistent. Local roads with stop signs or worse with no sign is just jittery and confused. Had to overtake the system before it just stopped and caused an accident.

Feel bad for anyone who paid outright years ago for this experimental mess.

EAP is the only package worth buying or that I would ever consider. Even if "FSD" gets "much better" it'll never drive how I want around town so it'll continue to be a hard pass.

 

[Michael Dobbs]

Probably, I’m just not sure it will be ready? Not until almost if not all of the other cars around it have the same thing. There are too many “humans” not willing to leave a space between the car in from if you and your car, decisions like choosing to stop on a yellow light when the guy behind you hits the accelerator and runs into you because it’s their instinct to speed upsbd get through the intersection before the light turns red. You know, little things like that. Things I wouldn’t have and didn’t think of before spending the money and forming my expectations of what it would be like.
I bought FSD on my first Tesla in 2018. Had high hopes for utopia……
Not yet, maybe not in my lifetime.

There was a time when we didn’t trust the adaptive cruise control. And for good reason! Now, I don’t stress in the M3/MY in any kind of traffic.

Right now, FSD does a pretty good job, but we aren’t used to it, and it makes us nervous. And for a good reason. In a few years, it won’t be a big deal.

But imagine this scenario. Your CT departs your office to go pick up your 12 year old daughter from school. When you summon the CT to come pick you up from work, it tells you it will be an hour before the CT gets to you! Why??? Because the CT is all the way on the other end of town at some mall and your daughter is shopping and hanging out with friends! You locked the destination to only take her home, but Jason (that little bastard!) showed your little princess how to hack the destination lock! And now she has full “Elon Mode” access! And before you can get the CT to leave the mall and pick you up, that SOB Jason (who is 13yo) and your princess are sitting in the back bench seat on the way to a friggin’ WATERPARK! You try to override their destination but that freakin’ weasel JASON has locked you out of your own dang car! SONOFA..

And you will wish for the good ol’ days when you made 3 car payments instead of 1 and you paid for a babysitter to make sure that Jason stayed away from your house when your daughter was home.

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[Baldey]

My cybertruck will be out on the road fighting crime, until i am in need of it's services

 

[Crissa]

FSD is a myth...always has been and continues to be.

Had a Model 3 (HW3) loaner just yesterday with latest FSD Beta on it...... Had about 5 deactivations in my 100 or so miles of mixed use.

So in your use, it's up to twenty miles per deactivation?

That doesn't sound like a myth. It sounds like progress.

...decisions like choosing to stop on a yellow light when the guy behind you hits the accelerator and runs into you because it’s their instinct to speed upsbd get through the intersection before the light turns red. You know, little things like...

I don't think Humans have eyes in the back of their heads not psychic powers, so how are you supposed to know when someone decides to drive through you?

At least FSD has eyes in the back of its head (vehicle).

-Crissa

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