Manufacturing the Cybertruck... excited to see process for folding stainless body parts.

[Jhodgesatmb]

I saw that video. That machine could make lots of custom parts. Besides the size, the Tesla equipment will most likely be made for a single part. Maybe a right side, left side, bed etc. It will be a jig with preset stops. It should therefore be faster with several in parallel. Can't wait to see how they will make 250000 per year so I can get mine in 2023.

Ii like your attitude. I hope they do find a way to make them quickly.

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[charliemagpie]

If Tesla makes minimum $20,000 profit per CT, if they aspire to 250,000 that's 5 Billion $ profit per year. A lot of money.

If our orders are around 2 million, there's enough financial incentive to deliver these asap.

For example, can we imagine 250,000 orders per year when production starts? We would have a perpetual 8-year backlog !

As per usual, Elon will think 10 faster than traditional speed.

Leaving all of us gobsmacked, lol

Hope I'm right… I'm 900,000 in line !!!


BTW...as a shareholder

No youtuber has yet spotted the big silver elephant in the room


If Tesla makes 500,000 CT's per year…that would produce about 1/4 of Apple's profit. (and I think Apple leads the world with 45b yearly)
+ cars
+autonomy
+robot
+energy
+insurance
+AI
+ new initiatives
+use of 10 kilotons of cash

 

[fritter63]

If Tesla makes minimum $20,000 profit per CT, if they aspire to 250,000 that's 5 Billion $ profit per year. A lot of money.

If our orders are around 2 million, there's enough financial incentive to deliver these asap.

For example, can we imagine 250,000 orders per year when production starts? We would have a perpetual 8-year backlog !

As per usual, Elon will think 10 faster than traditional speed.

Leaving all of us gobsmacked, lol

Hope I'm right… I'm 900,000 in line !!!


BTW...as a shareholder

No youtuber has yet spotted the big silver elephant in the room


If Tesla makes 500,000 CT's per year…that would produce about 1/4 of Apple's profit. (and I think Apple leads the world with 45b yearly)
+ cars
+autonomy
+robot
+energy
+insurance
+AI
+ new initiatives
+use of 10 kilotons of cash

Have you watched “Tesla economist”?

 

[hridge2020]

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[Deleted member 5322]

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And how fast does it work?
How many CT could it produce in 12 hours shift?

 

[GnarlyDudeLive]

Has Tesla or Elon confirmed that the ENTIRE body will be made with 3mm 30x SS? I know he SPECIFICALLY mentioned the doors but I don't ever recall him claiming the entire exoskeleton or did he? Anyone have insight?

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Has Tesla or Elon confirmed that the ENTIRE body will be made with 3mm 30x SS? I know he SPECIFICALLY mentioned the doors but I don't ever recall him claiming the entire exoskeleton or did he? Anyone have insight?

I don't have a quote in front of me but he said that the CT will be made of 3mm SS. That at least means the entire exoskeleton, doors, hood, and bed. The prototype was. And Elon never said anything sbout the doors. He had Franz hit the driver's door with a sledge hammer. In your mind does that mean the other 3 doors could be made of something else?

 

[John K]

Regarding production speed.

If a station process steps are lengthy, process is reviewed to improve cycle times, process steps separated into new stations reducing overall time at the station and/or concurrent production cells are configured to reduce the overall time from a single station.

There is a huge advantage as the line is built fresh. Some mistakes will be made as the production line will require tweaking to achieve predictive times. Pretty normal “fun” work.

I would love to be a part, though they are already committed to a plan and I would just need a measly 10,000 shares as a sign on bonus to help. ??

The trouble when I am able to take a tour, I may break out time study exercises.

I am not concerned about achieving production speed as a ramp up process. Tesla has some lessons learned and are not as green as they once were. I hope gaps become more uniform.

If gaps are clean, you will have confidence Mcguiver is not making straps out of chewing gum, paper clips and duct tape.

 

[CyberGus]

So, what you’re saying is…

…they need a Bender

 

[HaulingAss]

Elon may need to pull out another bunny from his hat.

One metal fabrication specialist says the origami method with laser scoring & bending of the stainless steel is too slow to make 200-400 thousand of Cybertruck exoskeletons a year. Says the method would work OK at lower volumes like 20,000.

This person is obviously talking through their butt. Because scoring and bending is a process that Tesla will do in a way they haven't yet disclosed. And there is only a limit on the speed of scoring and bending if you specify the machine and the method to be used. There is no inherent limit on scoring/bending speed, at least not a limit that would prevent the anticipated volumes. It depends upon the process Tesla develops. It just so happens that materials science and process development is one of Tesla's special areas of expertise.

Anyone pretending this is a problem is either ignorant of the way new processes can be developed to speed manufacture or they are purposefully trying to cast doubt on Tesla.

The FUD has never stopped Tesla in the past and yet people keep throwing it at them as if they know more about the challenges than Tesla does. It's pretty funny, actually. How people say things like this with a straight face.

 

[GnarlyDudeLive]

I am not concerned about achieving production speed as a ramp up process. Tesla has some lessons learned and are not as green as they once were. I hope gaps become more uniform.

I am speculating here but if the front and rear clips are going to be single piece castings and assuming the structural battery pack is itself consistent, I would hedge that the gaps should be more uniform due to the castings themselves being more precise (less parts/less variance/less skew). The wildcard will be the body panels themselves and how precise repeatedly they can be manufactured via folding and bending. I am as well hoping for the best but prepared for the usual.

 

[ldjessee]

I am speculating here but if the front and rear clips are going to be single piece castings and assuming the structural battery pack is itself consistent, I would hedge that the gaps should be more uniform due to the castings themselves being more precise (less parts/less variance/less skew). The wildcard will be the body panels themselves and how precise repeatedly they can be manufactured via folding and bending. I am as well hoping for the best but prepared for the usual.

Sandy Munroe said something similar and it makes sense that the fewer pieces, the less tolerance stacking you get, the more precise the build will be.

I seem to remember that there will be cast pieces, structural battery pack, exoskeleton, and stamped metal for any interior pieces, like door jams, etc…

 

[rr6013]

I am speculating here but if the front and rear clips are going to be single piece castings and assuming the structural battery pack is itself consistent, I would hedge that the gaps should be more uniform due to the castings themselves being more precise (less parts/less variance/less skew). The wildcard will be the body panels themselves and how precise repeatedly they can be manufactured via folding and bending. I am as well hoping for the best but prepared for the usual.

Exciting development could use some gaps.

Inquiring minds in disciplines of engineering, design, innovation and methodology could produce something that could be described as very interesting from gaps-as-a-feature. GaaF would extend and embrace quality control measured in inches rather than milimeters. Engineering could incorporate gap dynamics into design to where GaaF achieves gain of function. Ad infinitum…wildcard end .v. means speculation what GigaFactory can produce most people will pay good money to stop ICE greenhouse CO2.

@John K hints at how exciting it must be to know what potential lurks in those GigaFactory galleys. The Limiting Factor can maybe parse future potentials from his metrics derived from Tesla analysis’

 

[Tinker71]

This person is obviously talking through their butt. Because scoring and bending is a process that Tesla will do in a way they haven't yet disclosed. And there is only a limit on the speed of scoring and bending if you specify the machine and the method to be used. There is no inherent limit on scoring/bending speed, at least not a limit that would prevent the anticipated volumes. It depends upon the process Tesla develops. It just so happens that materials science and process development is one of Tesla's special areas of expertise.

Anyone pretending this is a problem is either ignorant of the way new processes can be developed to speed manufacture or they are purposefully trying to cast doubt on Tesla.

The FUD has never stopped Tesla in the past and yet people keep throwing it at them as if they know more about the challenges than Tesla does. It's pretty funny, actually. How people say things like this with a straight face.

I am pretty sure Elon has said they have a plan to reach 250,000 per year and I think most peope think Tesla will hit the target at some point. We are just speculating for fun. This is new tech at this size and volume, and we are just craving for details. Some of us come off negative so other smart/informed people will chime in with insight into the perceived problem, then we start to feel better. So far I have not seen the solution, not to say I don't think it has been solved.

I think the other reason people bother posting/reading this site is to have some influence on the design. Crazy maybe, but you never know Tesla may actually be monitoring the group think or maybe pluck an idea for consideration.

 

[HaulingAss]

I am pretty sure Elon has said they have a plan to reach 250,000 per year and I think most peope think Tesla will hit the target at some point. We are just speculating for fun. This is new tech at this size and volume, and we are just craving for details. Some of us come off negative so other smart/informed people will chime in with insight into the perceived problem, then we start to feel better. So far I have not seen the solution, not to say I don't think it has been solved.

I think the other reason people bother posting/reading this site is to have some influence on the design. Crazy maybe, but you never know Tesla may actually be monitoring the group think or maybe pluck an idea for consideration.

When I called BS, I was not referring to anything someone said here, it was in direct response to the linked article written by a metal fabricator with 12 years' experience. I think it's funny that such a person would pretend to know more about materials technology and fabrication than a man like Elon Musk who owns a rocket company that is pushing the known limits on metal fabrication on a daily basis.

People have been telling Elon Musk he can't do certain things for over two decades now. And Elon has been proving them wrong for over two decades.

One thing I've learned in life is that people who think they can't do something are almost always right. You can't do something you believe is impossible. Very little is possible if all you see are self-imposed limitations, real or imagined. Elon has shown an ability to find a path around the limitations because he believes there is a way to do anything that doesn't violate the laws the physics and he has passed on this attitude to the people who make up his companies. That is why SpaceX is taking NASA astronauts to the SpaceStation while companies with billions more in resources, like Boeing, are still grounded. The metal fabricator who wrote the article was looking at the limitations of known processes. It's not clear why he thought Tesla was limited to known processes. It's very short-sighted to tell Elon Musk what he can't do.

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