Tones of V4 Supercharger Working In Progress

[Woodrick]

100%! I have used the L1 120v charging for 3 weeks. It’s pure misery. It takes like 3 days to get 20% increase. I had an electrician come today and drop in a 14/50 and it’s wonderful going from 12A to 32A. Now it’s crazy fast.

I’m waiting for Tesla to get me my damned Universal charger so I can swap out the 14/50 and get the full 48A.

Does anyone know if Tesla is shipping those to us or is it going to be part of the $2500 certificate deal?

While there are other items to consider in the 32A to 48A move, you do realize that you will probably NEVER see the difference?

It's a difference between the vehicle being charged in 4 hours vs 6 hours while you sleep.

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[M0unt41nm4n]

While there are other items to consider in the 32A to 48A move, you do realize that you will probably NEVER see the difference?

It's a difference between the vehicle being charged in 4 hours vs 6 hours while you sleep.

You are assuming I will (A) Do it only when I sleep and (B) discount when I may need to leave with 100% charge required for a long trip when starting in the single digits. That is a 50% increase in amps and thus 50% increase in KWh. I think I will notice.

 

[Woodrick]

You are assuming I will (A) Do it only when I sleep and (B) discount when I may need to leave with 100% charge required for a long trip when starting in the single digits. That is a 50% increase in amps and thus 50% increase in KWh. I think I will notice.

No, I'm not assuming that. I'm using a lot of real-world information from myself and MANY other posters on Tesla forums and their many years of experience.

Reality is that the cases are rare and pretty much irrelevant. Since Superchargers are so prevalent, the reality is that you may have to stop at a Supercharger a few miles earlier. That's the ramification.

Your thoughts are common though. It's just a part of range anxiety.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

No, I'm not assuming that. I'm using a lot of real-world information from myself and MANY other posters on Tesla forums and their many years of experience.

Reality is that the cases are rare and pretty much irrelevant. Since Superchargers are so prevalent, the reality is that you may have to stop at a Supercharger a few miles earlier. That's the ramification.

Your thoughts are common though. It's just a part of range anxiety.

You are making additional assumptions. I live in SW Colorado. It’s a super charger desert (The state of Colorado gave Tesla grants for Super Chargers of which Tesla has yet to install them in Cortez, Durango, and Pagosa Springs). NW New Mexico has one crappy old Super Charger in Farmington. Nothing until you get to Santa Fe or Albuquerque). CCS adapters are currently non-existent for the CT unless I want to try and piece together a franken-adapter that may not be safe. I did the math. During the winter, I may be hard pressed to get to a super charger on a road trip heading through New Mexico or towards eastern Colorado due to the mileage drop. Yes, range anxiety is real for me due to my remote location, lack of available SCs, and lack of adapters. My situation is unfortunately much different than most, but it is real and not irrelevant nonetheless.

That said, what’s the argument about here? I get a free L2 charger that I hard wire that will bring me from 32A to 48A. Yes it will be faster. How about “Congrats m0unt41nm4n, you are doing it right… enjoy the added power” ?

 

[AlmostHuman]

 

[Woodrick]

You are making additional assumptions. I live in SW Colorado. It’s a super charger desert (The state of Colorado gave Tesla grants for Super Chargers of which Tesla has yet to install them in Cortez, Durango, and Pagosa Springs). NW New Mexico has one crappy old Super Charger in Farmington. Nothing until you get to Santa Fe or Albuquerque). CCS adapters are currently non-existent for the CT unless I want to try and piece together a franken-adapter that may not be safe. I did the math. During the winter, I may be hard pressed to get to a super charger on a road trip heading through New Mexico or towards eastern Colorado due to the mileage drop. Yes, range anxiety is real for me due to my remote location, lack of available SCs, and lack of adapters. My situation is unfortunately much different than most, but it is real and not irrelevant nonetheless.

That said, what’s the argument about here? I get a free L2 charger that I hard wire that will bring me from 32A to 48A. Yes it will be faster. How about “Congrats m0unt41nm4n, you are doing it right… enjoy the added power” ?

I'm trying to inform you and others that read this forum of the realities of charging EVs.
You are arguing that I'm wrong.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

I'm trying to inform you and others that read this forum of the realities of charging EVs.
You are arguing that I'm wrong.

No you are just arguing. You do this a lot... don't take that as an insult, take it as constructive criticism. Maybe approach your response as "Thats great! Let me explain something that may be helpful... ". You catch more bees with honey than you do with vinegar. Just sayin'.

With that... you really do not understand my situation and I explained it above.

You live in Gainesville, GA (based on your profile). Go check your SCs within a 250 mile radius. You have a crap ton. Go check mine. Not so many. We also get really cold weather. You don't. If I had to get a TSC for service in the winter, the closest is Albuquerque/Santa Fe and I am not sure I would make it on a 100% charge. I am not the only Tesla owner in my area who has similar thoughts. We ARE an exception to the rule, only because Tesla didn't (hasn't yet) built SCs in SW Colorado. The State called our area a "Priority corridor" for SCs. If you are interested, you can read about it here:

https://www.durangoherald.com/artic...-contract-with-electric-vehicle-manufacturer/

Now if NM would do the same, then I think things would be much more in line with what you are saying. I only have some L2 chargers in my region and although there are a few Charge Point fast chargers, those are unfortunately CCS. I don't need to repeat myself on that. Tesla needs to release a Cybertruck compatible CCS adapter or AtoZ needs to get their adapter released before I can lose some of my very unfortunately real range anxiety for my region.

 

[mongo]

I'm trying to inform you and others that read this forum of the realities of charging EVs.
You are arguing that I'm wrong.

You claimed:

you do realize that you will probably NEVER see the difference?

@M0unt41nm4n is saying that is not accurate for them and I'll chime in that it's not accurate for us.

There may also be some bleed over from the original 120V 12A discussion which is a complete non-starter for rural Cybertrucks in spring let alone winter. Unless I want to take 3 days to recharge from a road trip (assuming zero driving in that time).
1.44 kW : 4 MPH charge rate
7.7 kW: 20 MPH
11.5 kW: 31 MPH

 

[agordon117]

Oh, that's pretty much the same as my garage in the winter.

Outside does take a hit, but since it appears you only use about 1/3 of what the outlet provides, you should be great!

What's the number of miles that you have to add daily in the winter?

On bad days I get less than 2 miles per 1% battery, and that's excluding preconditioning. so if you assume I go out for lunch half of the time, my 18 mile per day average is more like 40 miles, plus preconditioning 2.5 times per day. I also have my own business, so I don't usually get 9-5 kind of hours where I could be charging at home for 12-14 hours a day and maybe more on weekends. But, my commute is really short, so even though if my work hours/days were normal I might be able to keep up in the Y, if my commute was more than 7 miles each way, it wouldn't be. Google is telling me the average daily miles driven is 42. which would consume something like 90 miles of range in the winter in the Y.

The truck is an interesting deviation from all of this in that the range at speed will take the same or worse hit than a model Y, but I believe preconditioning will come at much less range cost because it's doing a similar amount of heating (sure, more for the larger pack, but the cabin is the same),but has a much larger pack to pull from. I'll have to do some more spreadsheets when winter comes around and see how it compares to the Y at various temps and speeds.

 

[Woodrick]

On bad days I get less than 2 miles per 1% battery, and that's excluding preconditioning. so if you assume I go out for lunch half of the time, my 18 mile per day average is more like 40 miles, plus preconditioning 2.5 times per day. I also have my own business, so I don't usually get 9-5 kind of hours where I could be charging at home for 12-14 hours a day and maybe more on weekends. But, my commute is really short, so even though if my work hours/days were normal I might be able to keep up in the Y, if my commute was more than 7 miles each way, it wouldn't be. Google is telling me the average daily miles driven is 42. which would consume something like 90 miles of range in the winter in the Y.

Sure, it's easy to prove that it can't be done. That's classic range anxiety, pretty much by definition.
Have you tried it short or long term? Or are you assuming that it can't be done?

Numerous times I've had unexpected trips. They are easy to handle. Over a couple of days, the battery will tend to fill back up, or if you don't believe that it is sufficient, you just stop at a Supercharger for a few minutes.

The truck is an interesting deviation from all of this in that the range at speed will take the same or worse hit than a model Y, but I believe preconditioning will come at much less range cost because it's doing a similar amount of heating (sure, more for the larger pack, but the cabin is the same),but has a much larger pack to pull from. I'll have to do some more spreadsheets when winter comes around and see how it compares to the Y at various temps and speeds.

The Cybertruck uses about 30% more than the Model Y.

 

[oisiaa]

Great point. I use the mobile charger at home and kind of struggle to decide if go wall charger or even powershare. V4 Supercharger super near to home give me one less reason. But no idea how to spend that $2500 credit.

I've been using the mobile charger for 6 years without any trouble.

 

[Woodrick]

You claimed:

@M0unt41nm4n is saying that is not accurate for them and I'll chime in that it's not accurate for us.

There may also be some bleed over from the original 120V 12A discussion which is a complete non-starter for rural Cybertrucks in spring let alone winter. Unless I want to take 3 days to recharge from a road trip (assuming zero driving in that time).
1.44 kW : 4 MPH charge rate
7.7 kW: 20 MPH
11.5 kW: 31 MPH

READ MY WORDS

" you do realize that you will probably NEVER see the difference?"

I never said never. I said "probably never" there is a big difference. I added the word "probably" purposefully.

This is classic range anxiety. It happens to most Tesla and EV owners.

I will absolutely agree that it is possible that you may arrive home on a empty battery and then find that you need to leave on a long trip. It is possible, but not probable.

I will absolutely agree that you may even be a little low and find that you want to charge to 100% for a long trip. It is possible, but not probable.

And in many situations, even if you are lower than expected, a Supercharger is available to charge MUCH faster than any home charging.

@M0unt41nm4n has recently received his first EV, as far as I know. He does not have any track history with EVs, he is definitely in range anxiety.
And yes, there is reason, he is out in the middle of nowhere.
But my statement still stands, it will probably not make a difference to him over his first year of ownership.
At the present moment, he is indeed in a Tesla Supercharger desert. But the desert shouldn't last long. The CCS adapter shouldn't be that far out and Superchargers are still coming at a rapid basis. There's multiple CCS locations, 1 of them has a 200kW pedestal.

 

[Woodrick]

No you are just arguing. You do this a lot... don't take that as an insult, take it as constructive criticism. Maybe approach your response as "Thats great! Let me explain something that may be helpful... ". You catch more bees with honey than you do with vinegar. Just sayin'.

With that... you really do not understand my situation and I explained it above.

You live in Gainesville, GA (based on your profile). Go check your SCs within a 250 mile radius. You have a crap ton. Go check mine. Not so many. We also get really cold weather. You don't. If I had to get a TSC for service in the winter, the closest is Albuquerque/Santa Fe and I am not sure I would make it on a 100% charge. I am not the only Tesla owner in my area who has similar thoughts. We ARE an exception to the rule, only because Tesla didn't (hasn't yet) built SCs in SW Colorado. The State called our area a "Priority corridor" for SCs. If you are interested, you can read about it here:

https://www.durangoherald.com/artic...-contract-with-electric-vehicle-manufacturer/

Now if NM would do the same, then I think things would be much more in line with what you are saying. I only have some L2 chargers in my region and although there are a few Charge Point fast chargers, those are unfortunately CCS. I don't need to repeat myself on that. Tesla needs to release a Cybertruck compatible CCS adapter or AtoZ needs to get their adapter released before I can lose some of my very unfortunately real range anxiety for my region.

I'm quite aware are where you are. I have looked up your location many times, both at Tesla and Plugshare. You have been quite vocal on reason why you shouldn't have an EV, but yet you now have one, congrats on that.

When it first occurs, and in a year, DM me and post here the situations for which you needed more than 30A charging.
Of everyone on this list, you are indeed probably the closest to needing it, but still, odds are that you'll never need it.

Sure, there are those who do need it, like those with 200+ mile commutes, but that doesn't seem to be you.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

I'm quite aware are where you are. I have looked up your location many times, both at Tesla and Plugshare. You have been quite vocal on reason why you shouldn't have an EV, but yet you now have one, congrats on that.

When it first occurs, and in a year, DM me and post here the situations for which you needed more than 30A charging.
Of everyone on this list, you are indeed probably the closest to needing it, but still, odds are that you'll never need it.

Sure, there are those who do need it, like those with 200+ mile commutes, but that doesn't seem to be you.

Thank you. To be fair, I never posted why I shouldn't have an EV. This is a bad place to do that. but I have posted that I will not be giving up my ICE vehicles any time soon until there is trust. So you have me there.

That said, I may need it more than you think. I live 170 miles between my 2 houses. I go there every month. From what I read, you can lose up to 30% distance in cold weather. That gets mighty close to its range on a 20 degree day with snow and 2 mountain passes. Yes, it's anxiety. I would be less anxious if I had a SC midway (say Cortez, Dove Creek, or Monticello). Plug Share shows a really nice CCS DC Fast charger in Monticello, but guess what? No CCS converter yet. Other than that I have a lot of Level 2 chargers. That should normally take a 2.5 hour drive to my other home... but if I have to do a Level 2, that will be a 6 hour drive. So until we get the CCS adapter or a super charger in Cortez, its going to likely be my ICE vehicle during the winter.

My first CT trip there will be later this month. I'm expecting that to go smoothly and with no issues. I will be more concerned come November.

 

[mongo]

Thank you. To be fair, I never posted why I shouldn't have an EV. This is a bad place to do that. but I have posted that I will not be giving up my ICE vehicles any time soon until there is trust. So you have me there.

That said, I may need it more than you think. I live 170 miles between my 2 houses. I go there every month. From what I read, you can lose up to 30% distance in cold weather. That gets mighty close to its range on a 20 degree day with snow and 2 mountain passes. Yes, it's anxiety. I would be less anxious if I had a SC midway (say Cortez, Dove Creek, or Monticello). Plug Share shows a really nice CCS DC Fast charger in Monticello, but guess what? No CCS converter yet. Other than that I have a lot of Level 2 chargers. That should normally take a 2.5 hour drive to my other home... but if I have to do a Level 2, that will be a 6 hour drive. So until we get the CCS adapter or a super charger in Cortez, its going to likely be my ICE vehicle during the winter.

My first CT trip there will be later this month. I'm expecting that to go smoothly and with no issues. I will be more concerned come November.

Understood. Where 32A vs 48A makes a difference in that situation is turn around time. How long do you need to charge at house B before returning to house A. This also impacts how much driving you can do while at house B.

For us, the impact has been additional Supercharging due to spontaneity while the truck was set to 80%. Not that 48A would have fully topped it off before we left either.

A Cybertruck compatible CCS adapter would go a long way toward hydrating the charging desert that is (north) eastern Michigan.

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