Towed a 10,400 pound generator today!

[firsttruck]

If I did not let my guys take their work trucks home they would quit, some of them live 30+ miles from the office and them driving 30 miles to the office, then if the jobsite was 20-30 miles the other direction it could easily be a 120 mile day. With big loads the CT won't do much over 100 miles and that is at 100% to zero and I don't want the batteries getting slammed to 100% every day, or running dead on the side of the road.
CT is fine for a trip to the store or to run to a jobsite but for towing don't think it is viable for a business.

"towing don't think it is viable for a business."

NO. your statement above is inaccurate. A correct statement would be
"Cybertruck towing might not work for MY business!

The video in first post already shows a business using Cybertruck to tow.

There may be lots of other businesses where current Cybertruck towing capabilities might be perfectly workable and those businesses could save a lot of money.


Annually, there are over 2 million full-size pickups sold in USA.
There are plenty of use cases for Cybertruck and even towing jobs for Cybertruck.

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[SentinelOne]

Keep in mind that since the CT is a unibody you shouldn't be using a weight distribution hitch

Hadn't heard that, how certain are you?

 

[scottf200]

Keep in mind that since the CT is a unibody you shouldn't be using a weight distribution hitch

Watch Kyle/Out of Spec spinning the front tires (weight not distributed!) on his tow test
because he was not using a weight distribution hitch on *heavy* loads (key point).

"Tesla Cybertruck Takes On The Rustic Ring, Our Extreme Towing Challenge"

 

[firsttruck]

Is it? How far is the job site? I can't imagine crews are driving 100-120 miles a day regularly.

This is a 50 mil radius loop around central PHX.

Basically the whole metro. I find that unlikely.

30 miles? Maybe. 40? Even possible. 50-60 miles one way? I dunno about that....

Good example. Here is some more interesting data.

Plenty of population, homes and businesses within 40 mile radius of lots of places.

-----------------------------------------

America's 85 largest population centers by radius (25/35/40 mi) (city hall, credit)
https://www.city-data.com/forum/gen...cas-50-largest-population-centers-radius.html


.....
By resident09
Ok so I started to pull the 50 mile radius data, and it's definitely a bit too broad. So instead I chose the 40 mile radii as the maximum metric here. I think the 25-30 mile range is typically considered what most cities influence constitutes as the true "metro" etc. The 35/40 mile radius populations is still good driving distance, but expands out a bit more, and will take you into CSA or combined area territories for most places.

A few things:

Ft. Lauderdale has been added here, and Miami stays too, but you can clearly see with MIA being at the Southern tip of its metro area, that the radii pull simply isn't fair for the region starting from Miami City Hall, so I added FLL.

I also had to use Norfolk instead of Va Beach in their instance, it's arguably still the more regionally recognized city, and a more fair count with the central location.

Yes it does seem strange to see a Worcester, MA so high, but again the original criteria here is, the city has to anchor it's own MSA which Worcester does. Maybe there's another condition that someone else could suggest to eliminate examples like Worcester, but I haven't thought of it. Regarding the "double counting" of over lapping metros that seems most relevant in the Worcester example probably because you're potentially counting population of 3 different MSA's. I think with your DC, SF, and other (big major) examples you don't see that type of overlap until at least the 35 mile mark which is why you see that overlap tally up on Baltimore and San Jose sides.

date last updated
2023 June 17
By bellafinzi

Population within​	​	Rank) City (Zip Code)​
40 mi. radius​	​	​
​	​	​
18,194,657​	​	1) New York, NY (10007)​
13,408,600​	​	2) Los Angeles, CA (90012)​
8,548,255​	​	3) Chicago (60604)​
7,738,933​	​	4) Washington DC (20001)​
7,117,920​	​	5) Dallas (75204)​
6,698,966​	​	6) Houston (77002)​
6,662,366​	​	7) Philadelphia (19102)​
5,884,206​	​	8) Baltimore (21202)​
5,876,664​	​	9) San Francisco (94102)​
5,734,895​	​	10) Boston (02210)​
5,685,067​	​	11) Atlanta (30303)​
5,349,489​	​	12) Fort Lauderdale (33301)​
5,017,932​	​	13) Worcester, MA (01608)​
4,920,413​	​	14) San Jose (95113)​
4,653,729​	​	15) Phoenix (85003)​
4,562,115​	​	16) Miami (33133)​
4,449,431​	​	17) Detroit (48201)​
4,443,376​	​	18) Providence (02903)​
4,298,067​	​	19) Seattle (98104)​
3,851,664​	​	20) Tampa (33602)​
3,573,619​	​	21) Minneapolis (55415)​
3,396,946​	​	22) Denver (80202)​
3,236,666​	​	23) Orlando (32801)​
3,198,891​	​	24) San Diego (92102)​
3,064,362​	​	25) Hartford (06103)​
2,929,136​	​	26) Sacramento (95814)​
2,794,282​	​	27) Cleveland (44114)​
2,753,236​	​	28) Charlotte (28202)​
2,699,116​	​	29) Springfield, MA​
2,696,217​	​	30) West Palm Beach​
2,624,512​	​	31) Portland (97204)​
2,596,972​	​	32) St. Louis (63103)​
2,526,659​	​	33) San Antonio (78205)​
2,475,033​	​	34) Pittsburgh (15219)​
2,441,673​	​	35) Salt Lake City​
2,366,070​	​	36) Cincinnati (45202)​
2,380,351​	​	37) Dayton​
2,330,786​	​	38) Austin (78701)​
2,263,969​	​	39) Raleigh (27601)​
2,223,774​	​	40) Kansas City (64106)​
2,188,242​	​	41) Las Vegas​
2,184,333​	​	42) Indianapolis (46204)​
2,176,244​	​	43) Columbus (43215)​
1,991,428​	​	44) Milwaukee (53202)​
1,981,180​	​	45) Harrisburg​
1,980,064​	​	46) Nashville (37201)​
1,751,446​	​	47) Norfolk/Va Beach (23510)​
1,640,384​	​	48) Jacksonville (32202)​
1,514,230​	​	49) Louisville (40202)​
1,474,593​	​	50) Greenville SC​
1,471,358​	​	51) Oklahoma City (73102)​
1,440,440​	​	52) Grand Rapids (49503)​
1,428,317​	​	53) Fresno (93721)​
1,391,904​	​	54) Richmond, VA (23219)​
1,341,361​	​	55) Memphis (38103)​
1,381,041​	​	56) Fort Myers​
1,307,376​	​	57) New Orleans (70112)​
1,306,270​	​	58) Buffalo, NY (14202)​
1,301,985​	​	59) Madison, WI​
1,193,221​	​	60) Toledo, OH​
1,188,755​	​	61) Birmingham (35203)​
1,182,327​	​	62) Albany, NY​
1,176,306​	​	63) McAllen, TX​
1,122,017​	​	64) Rochester, NY​
1,109,727​	​	65) Knoxville​
1,069,736​	​	66) Lansing, MI​
1,052,566​	​	67) Tucson​
1,029,599​	​	68) Chattanooga​
1,015,780​	​	69) Honolulu​
1,015,346​	​	70) Tulsa​
1,010,649​	​	71) Omaha​
1,007,284​	​	72) Columbia SC​
962,787​	​	73) Colorado Springs, CO​
943,517​	​	74) South Bend​
929,178​	​	75) Baton Rouge​
926,479​	​	76) El Paso, TX​
926,439​	​	77) Syracuse, NY​
914,879​	​	78) Albuquerque, NM​
894,450​	​	79) Huntsville, AL​
883,933​	​	80) Lexington​
844,649​	​	81) Little Rock, AR​
839,399​	​	82) Des Moines​
829,622​	​	83) Green Bay​
749,480​	​	84) Boise, ID​
737,881​	​	85) Spokane, WA​
244,477,217​	​	Total​

-------------------------

 

[ButterEV]

Hadn't heard that, how certain are you?

I called BlueOx who is a hitch manufacturer and they confirmed that unibody trucks should never use a weight distribution hitch

 

[ButterEV]

Watch Kyle/Out of Spec spinning the front tires (weight not distributed!) on his tow test
because he was not using a weight distribution hitch on *heavy* loads (key point).

"Tesla Cybertruck Takes On The Rustic Ring, Our Extreme Towing Challenge"

Not supposed to use WD hitch with unibody trucks. Spoke to BlueOx and they confirmed this for me. I have their WD hitch that I used with my Ram 3500 and they told me not to use it on the CT

 

[SentinelOne]

I have a BLueOx as well - interesting, well glad im keeping the 2500

 

[greggertruck]

Good example. Here is some more interesting data.

Plenty of population, homes and businesses within 40 mile radius of lots of places.

-----------------------------------------

America's 50 largest population centers by radius (25/35/40 mi) (city hall, credit)
Date: 2022 May
https://www.city-data.com/forum/gen...cas-50-largest-population-centers-radius.html


.....
2022May05
resident09
Ok so I started to pull the 50 mile radius data, and it's definitely a bit too broad. So instead I chose the 40 mile radii as the maximum metric here. I think the 25-30 mile range is typically considered what most cities influence constitutes as the true "metro" etc. The 35/40 mile radius populations is still good driving distance, but expands out a bit more, and will take you into CSA or combined area territories for most places.

A few things:

Ft. Lauderdale has been added here, and Miami stays too, but you can clearly see with MIA being at the Southern tip of its metro area, that the radii pull simply isn't fair for the region starting from Miami City Hall, so I added FLL.

I also had to use Norfolk instead of Va Beach in their instance, it's arguably still the more regionally recognized city, and a more fair count with the central location.

Yes it does seem strange to see a Worcester, MA so high, but again the original criteria here is, the city has to anchor it's own MSA which Worcester does. Maybe there's another condition that someone else could suggest to eliminate examples like Worcester, but I haven't thought of it. Regarding the "double counting" of over lapping metros that seems most relevant in the Worcester example probably because you're potentially counting population of 3 different MSA's. I think with your DC, SF, and other (big major) examples you don't see that type of overlap until at least the 35 mile mark which is why you see that overlap tally up on Baltimore and San Jose sides.

Anywho:

Population​	​	City (Zip Code) 40 mi radius​
​	​	​
18,194,657​	​	New York (10007)​
13,408,600​	​	Los Angeles (90012)​
8,548,255​	​	Chicago (60604)​
7,738,933​	​	Washington (20001)​
7,117,920​	​	Dallas (75204)​
6,698,966​	​	Houston (77002)​
6,662,366​	​	Philadelphia (19102)​
5,884,206​	​	Baltimore (21202)​
5,876,664​	​	San Francisco (94102)​
5,734,895​	​	Boston (02210)​
5,685,067​	​	Atlanta (30303)​
5,349,489​	​	Fort Lauderdale (33301)​
5,017,932​	​	Worcester, MA (01608)​
4,920,413​	​	San Jose (95113)​
4,653,729​	​	Phoenix (85003)​
4,562,115​	​	Miami (33133)​
4,449,431​	​	Detroit (48201)​
4,443,376​	​	Providence (02903)​
4,298,067​	​	Seattle (98104)​
3,851,664​	​	Tampa (33602)​
3,573,619​	​	Minneapolis (55415)​
3,396,946​	​	Denver (80202)​
3,236,666​	​	Orlando (32801)​
3,198,891​	​	San Diego (92102)​
3,064,362​	​	Hartford (06103)​
2,929,136​	​	Sacramento (95814)​
2,794,282​	​	Cleveland (44114)​
2,624,512​	​	Portland (97204)​
2,753,236​	​	Charlotte (28202)​
2,596,972​	​	St. Louis (63103)​
2,526,659​	​	San Antonio (78205)​
2,475,033​	​	Pittsburgh (15219)​
2,366,070​	​	Cincinnati (45202)​
2,330,786​	​	Austin (78701)​
2,263,969​	​	Raleigh (27601)​
2,223,774​	​	Kansas City (64106)​
2,184,333​	​	Indianapolis (46204)​
2,176,244​	​	Columbus (43215)​
1,991,428​	​	Milwaukee (53202)​
1,980,064​	​	Nashville (37201)​
1,751,446​	​	Norfolk/Va Beach (23510)​
1,640,384​	​	Jacksonville (32202)​
1,514,230​	​	Louisville (40202)​
1,471,358​	​	Oklahoma City (73102)​
1,440,440​	​	Grand Rapids (49503)​
1,428,317​	​	Fresno (93721)​
1,391,904​	​	Richmond, VA (23219)​
1,341,361​	​	Memphis (38103)​
1,307,376​	​	New Orleans (70112)​
1,306,270​	​	Buffalo (14202)​
1,188,755​	​	Birmingham (35203)​

----------------------------------------

So basically 120 miles a day is very likely “enough”

 

[scottf200]

Not supposed to use WD hitch with unibody trucks. Spoke to BlueOx and they confirmed this for me. I have their WD hitch that I used with my Ram 3500 and they told me not to use it on the CT

Did you watch the weight distribution video? Experiment yourself with weighing the front and the rear with and without the weight distribution hitch. A level truck <> even weight distribution (video).

Did you see Kyle's video with the CT? Yikes. Clearly, it made the front end too light (read dangerous).

 

[Crissa]

Did you see Kyle's video with the CT? Yikes. Clearly, it made the front end too light (read dangerous).

An EV should be able to chirp the front wheels without any load in it. That doesn't say anything but "don't slam the pedal."

You can spin out the tail of my Zero, which isn't a very powerful motorcycle, because the electric motor can break the rubber loose from the ground even with all the battery's weight on it and your butt.

-Crissa

 

[firsttruck]

Good example. Here is some more interesting data.

Plenty of population, homes and businesses within 40 mile radius of lots of places.

-----------------------------------------

America's 85 largest population centers by radius (25/35/40 mi) (city hall, credit)
https://www.city-data.com/forum/gen...cas-50-largest-population-centers-radius.html


.....
By resident09
Ok so I started to pull the 50 mile radius data, and it's definitely a bit too broad. So instead I chose the 40 mile radii as the maximum metric here. I think the 25-30 mile range is typically considered what most cities influence constitutes as the true "metro" etc. The 35/40 mile radius populations is still good driving distance, but expands out a bit more, and will take you into CSA or combined area territories for most places.

A few things:

Ft. Lauderdale has been added here, and Miami stays too, but you can clearly see with MIA being at the Southern tip of its metro area, that the radii pull simply isn't fair for the region starting from Miami City Hall, so I added FLL.

I also had to use Norfolk instead of Va Beach in their instance, it's arguably still the more regionally recognized city, and a more fair count with the central location.

Yes it does seem strange to see a Worcester, MA so high, but again the original criteria here is, the city has to anchor it's own MSA which Worcester does. Maybe there's another condition that someone else could suggest to eliminate examples like Worcester, but I haven't thought of it. Regarding the "double counting" of over lapping metros that seems most relevant in the Worcester example probably because you're potentially counting population of 3 different MSA's. I think with your DC, SF, and other (big major) examples you don't see that type of overlap until at least the 35 mile mark which is why you see that overlap tally up on Baltimore and San Jose sides.

date last updated
2023 June 17
By bellafinzi

Population within​	​	Rank) City (Zip Code)​
40 mi. radius​	​	​
​	​	​
18,194,657​	​	1) New York, NY (10007)​
13,408,600​	​	2) Los Angeles, CA (90012)​
8,548,255​	​	3) Chicago (60604)​
7,738,933​	​	4) Washington DC (20001)​
7,117,920​	​	5) Dallas (75204)​
6,698,966​	​	6) Houston (77002)​
6,662,366​	​	7) Philadelphia (19102)​
5,884,206​	​	8) Baltimore (21202)​
5,876,664​	​	9) San Francisco (94102)​
5,734,895​	​	10) Boston (02210)​
5,685,067​	​	11) Atlanta (30303)​
5,349,489​	​	12) Fort Lauderdale (33301)​
5,017,932​	​	13) Worcester, MA (01608)​
4,920,413​	​	14) San Jose (95113)​
4,653,729​	​	15) Phoenix (85003)​
4,562,115​	​	16) Miami (33133)​
4,449,431​	​	17) Detroit (48201)​
4,443,376​	​	18) Providence (02903)​
4,298,067​	​	19) Seattle (98104)​
3,851,664​	​	20) Tampa (33602)​
3,573,619​	​	21) Minneapolis (55415)​
3,396,946​	​	22) Denver (80202)​
3,236,666​	​	23) Orlando (32801)​
3,198,891​	​	24) San Diego (92102)​
3,064,362​	​	25) Hartford (06103)​
2,929,136​	​	26) Sacramento (95814)​
2,794,282​	​	27) Cleveland (44114)​
2,753,236​	​	28) Charlotte (28202)​
2,699,116​	​	29) Springfield, MA​
2,696,217​	​	30) West Palm Beach​
2,624,512​	​	31) Portland (97204)​
2,596,972​	​	32) St. Louis (63103)​
2,526,659​	​	33) San Antonio (78205)​
2,475,033​	​	34) Pittsburgh (15219)​
2,441,673​	​	35) Salt Lake City​
2,366,070​	​	36) Cincinnati (45202)​
2,380,351​	​	37) Dayton​
2,330,786​	​	38) Austin (78701)​
2,263,969​	​	39) Raleigh (27601)​
2,223,774​	​	40) Kansas City (64106)​
2,188,242​	​	41) Las Vegas​
2,184,333​	​	42) Indianapolis (46204)​
2,176,244​	​	43) Columbus (43215)​
1,991,428​	​	44) Milwaukee (53202)​
1,981,180​	​	45) Harrisburg​
1,980,064​	​	46) Nashville (37201)​
1,751,446​	​	47) Norfolk/Va Beach (23510)​
1,640,384​	​	48) Jacksonville (32202)​
1,514,230​	​	49) Louisville (40202)​
1,474,593​	​	50) Greenville SC​
1,471,358​	​	51) Oklahoma City (73102)​
1,440,440​	​	52) Grand Rapids (49503)​
1,428,317​	​	53) Fresno (93721)​
1,391,904​	​	54) Richmond, VA (23219)​
1,341,361​	​	55) Memphis (38103)​
1,381,041​	​	56) Fort Myers​
1,307,376​	​	57) New Orleans (70112)​
1,306,270​	​	58) Buffalo, NY (14202)​
1,301,985​	​	59) Madison, WI​
1,193,221​	​	60) Toledo, OH​
1,188,755​	​	61) Birmingham (35203)​
1,182,327​	​	62) Albany, NY​
1,176,306​	​	63) McAllen, TX​
1,122,017​	​	64) Rochester, NY​
1,109,727​	​	65) Knoxville​
1,069,736​	​	66) Lansing, MI​
1,052,566​	​	67) Tucson​
1,029,599​	​	68) Chattanooga​
1,015,780​	​	69) Honolulu​
1,015,346​	​	70) Tulsa​
1,010,649​	​	71) Omaha​
1,007,284​	​	72) Columbia SC​
962,787​	​	73) Colorado Springs, CO​
943,517​	​	74) South Bend​
929,178​	​	75) Baton Rouge​
926,479​	​	76) El Paso, TX​
926,439​	​	77) Syracuse, NY​
914,879​	​	78) Albuquerque, NM​
894,450​	​	79) Huntsville, AL​
883,933​	​	80) Lexington​
844,649​	​	81) Little Rock, AR​
839,399​	​	82) Des Moines​
829,622​	​	83) Green Bay​
749,480​	​	84) Boise, ID​
737,881​	​	85) Spokane, WA​
244,477,217​	​	Total​

-------------------------

So basically 120 miles a day is very likely “enough”

Yup.

Lots of businesses within 40 mile radius of top 85 metro areas with 244,477,217 combined total population.

Looking at the 40 mi. radius population data, most businesses that tow with 150/1500/2500 full-size pickups, even 100 miles towing might enough.

Those business that tow longer distances probably are going to use 350/3500 and up HD pickups.

 

[Cyber Man]

Why would you have them tow the equipment home, if they have to go to the office?

Honestly, why are they driving the truck home if they're going to the office first anyhow?

It doesn't seem like you're contradicting HaulingAss at all.

-Crissa

I agree! Most contractors I deal with do less than 100 miles towing a day. They don't take their dump trailer or toy hauler everyday home, which could be 50+ miles away from their work site. When it comes to small business, I 100% agree with @HaulingAss - towing is limited to within 50-100 mile radius, and most contractors are not towing from morning till evening. After all, they have to work on site to make use of whatever materials they are towing. That's when they make the most money.

 

[scottf200]

An EV should be able to chirp the front wheels without any load in it. That doesn't say anything but "don't slam the pedal."

You can spin out the tail of my Zero, which isn't a very powerful motorcycle, because the electric motor can break the rubber loose from the ground even with all the battery's weight on it and your butt. -Crissa

That is very generic. Tesla's have very sophisticated traction control. It takes a fair amount of imbalance to trick them.

Unclear how many people have watched both videos and if not then they should to be more informed as the videos are enlightening.

Weighing a Cybertruck front and rear with both types of hitches is the TRUE "weigh" to understand this problem just like they did in the video. It would be an interesting YouTube video (TFL, etc, would be good candidates for this).

 

[Speedr]

It's a shame Kyle got a Cyberbeast, since it won't be the most common Cybertruck sold, and these initial videos will set a lasting impression.

As he's said, the Cyberbeast is basically a front wheel drive truck until you really punch it. That's probably why it spun the front tires until he engaged enough for the rears to really start putting down power. The AWD Cybertruck is the opposite, a rear wheel drive truck until it's needed...

 

[C T Rick]

Everyone is missing the point of this thread.
it's so obvious.
He's towing his portable Range extender/ supercharger.

By the way, as a plumbing contractor here in Los Angeles, 11mph I do on average 4,000 miles a year. You don't make money sitting in traffic going job to job.

Rick

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