Why isn’t this charger on the Tesla Website

[btcrealm]

So we'll then start with the 80A is just a waste of money. If it is NOT mounted permanent, then you can only use half the current capability and the 40A is a LOT cheaper and rated for the maximum plug capability.

I'm pretty sure that they really aren't designed for the punishment. They appear to be built into classic off-the-shelf aluminum boxes.

If you aren't going to mount it, the difference between the Grizzl-e classic 40A and the Tesla Mobile Connector is minimal. It really only makes a difference if your daily commute is over 100 miles per day.

Ok, I understand your confusion now. I won't be getting the 80A unit. The second unit I linked is about $375 and is a 48A unit. I have a 50A generator that I run on propane and if I'm out in the woods for several days I will be using this unit with that. It is a sealed aluminum box, it is lighter, smaller, is better built than the Tesla unit, and will work better for my intended purposes.

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[Woodrick]

Ok, I understand your confusion now. I won't be getting the 80A unit. The second unit I linked is about $375 and is a 48A unit. I have a 50A generator that I run on propane and if I'm out in the woods for several days I will be using this unit with that. It is a sealed aluminum box, it is lighter, smaller, is better built than the Tesla unit, and will work better for my intended purposes.

In that case, look at the generator specs. I can just about guarantee you that it isn't rated for 50A or 40A continuous. And you may be talking about more than 1 or two 30lb propane tanks.
The 48A is definitely not intended for generator use. It's only designed for permanent mount. The Classic 40A has the NEMA 14-50 pigtail on it and is appropriately derated to 80% for the sustained load on a NEMA 14-50 plug.

I'll assume that your generator is configured for 240V, it's amazing how many aren't. I've seen too many configured with a TT-30 and a pair of 20A 120V wall outlets, all at 120V.

The Tesla Mobile Adapter is probably a much better fit for the generator use. 50% max usage for an extended period is closer to reality.

You also need to make sure that the ground solution is correct, as they keeps a lot of cars from charging on generators.

 

[CT425]

Gen 2 certainly works. I also tried a Gen 1 and it did not work, but people have reported that changes to the internal dipswitch settings might get a Gen 1 working.

My Gen 1 works just fine with my Cybertruck at 60 amps. I had it put in after I placed my order for the Cybertruck. Little did I know it was going to take ~4 years before I can use it. LOL

 

[Ward L]

I have a Gen 2 Tesla charger on a 60 Amp breaker. It has internal controls to supply up to 80 amps for the early S/X models. It is set for 48 amps for my Model 3 and I get about 45 mph. It has a short thick connector. I have used it to successfully charge my CT.

 

[eswimm]

My Gen 1 works just fine with my Cybertruck at 60 amps. I had it put in after I placed my order for the Cybertruck. Little did I know it was going to take ~4 years before I can use it. LOL

That may actually be a Gen 2, unless you purchased it used 4 years ago. They started selling the Gen 2 in 2016.

 

[mongo]

According to some people here on the forum some of the older wall connectors won't even work on the CT. I think I read those laments correctly.

Issue seems to be if it is set above a 60 amp breaker (maybe it was 80).

 

[Crissa]

Ok, I understand your confusion now. I won't be getting the 80A unit. The second unit I linked is about $375 and is a 48A unit. I have a 50A generator that I run on propane and if I'm out in the woods for several days I will be using this unit with that. It is a sealed aluminum box, it is lighter, smaller, is better built than the Tesla unit, and will work better for my intended purposes.

I dunno, on a Discord I hang out on, someone's been pulling their hair out trying to get it to configure and Grizzl-e's help hasn't been helpful.

-Crissa

 

[HaulingAss]

So we'll then start with the 80A is just a waste of money. If it is NOT mounted permanent, then you can only use half the current capability and the 40A is a LOT cheaper and rated for the maximum plug capability.

There's no such thing as "permanently" mounted. The word you are looking for is "hardwired" and it takes literally 5 minutes to wire it or unwire it if you want to move it.

Hooking a 50 amp pigtail plug to a wall connector is a newbie move. It's much better to just wire it directly to the same wires that were used to feed the outlet. Telsa used to offer Wall Connectors with 50 amp pigtail plugs but the 50 amp outlets in America are so problematic they discontinued the practice.

 

[HaulingAss]

The second unit I linked is about $375 and is a 48A unit. I have a 50A generator that I run on propane and if I'm out in the woods for several days I will be using this unit with that. It is a sealed aluminum box, it is lighter, smaller, is better built than the Tesla unit, and will work better for my intended purposes.

Ok, I understand your confusion now. I won't be getting the 80A unit. The second unit I linked is about $375 and is a 48A unit. I have a 50A generator that I run on propane and if I'm out in the woods for several days I will be using this unit with that. It is a sealed aluminum box, it is lighter, smaller, is better built than the Tesla unit, and will work better for my intended purposes.

Two points:

1) There are very limited residential use cases for charging an EV with a generator. Even if your power goes out for a few days, it would almost certainly be cheaper and easier to stop at a Supercharger periodically. If you are driving so many miles as to need charging during a residential power outage, it's a near certainty these days that there will be a Supercharger near your route that works. This will save a lot of money and probably be more convenient than maintaining a generator for the occasional outage.

2) The number one most important quality in a Wall Connector used to charge your EV at home is long-term reliability. You want to install it and have it work flawlessly for many years. The electronics and connections inside a Wall Connector are subject to condensation and corrosion over time, especially if the cabinet is not well-engineered. Tesla knows how to engineer a Wall Connector that doesn't corrode inside in environments that experience large swings of temperature and humidity. A sealed aluminum case might be good for driving your car over it, but less than ideal from a condensation perspective.

We know that the Tesla Wall Connector has proven to be highly reliable over many years. We don't know that about the Grizzly. The sealed thick aluminum case seems less ideal vs. polycarbonate for electrical components, especially with regard to condensation and corrosion. The Tesla unit is elegantly designed with regard to natural convection currents inside and I've never heard of one leaking, even when mounted on an unprotected pedestal outside. The Tesla unit is also a much more mature unit, much easier to install and well thought out in terms of construction and software with more features you might actually use. Like power sharing, for households with multiple EVs and limited room in the electrical service panel. The cable remains more pliable in cold weather too.

It does cost $50 more, but comes with free shipping. The Grizzly version linked in a previous post has a J1772 connector that is bulky and soon to be obsolete. They say they are coming out with a NACS connector, but I haven't seen one yet. Given the reputation of the Tesla Wall Connector over the years, and it's competitive pricing, the choice would be easy for me. The ability to power share the same electrical circuit will be increasingly important as more households get two and even three EVs under the same roof.

 

[eswimm]

There's no such thing as "permanently" mounted. The word you are looking for is "hardwired" and it takes literally 5 minutes to wire it or unwire it if you want to move it.

Hooking a 50 amp pigtail plug to a wall connector is a newbie move. It's much better to just wire it directly to the same wires that were used to feed the outlet. Telsa used to offer Wall Connectors with 50 amp pigtail plugs but the 50 amp outlets in America are so problematic they discontinued the practice.

Not to mention, a wall connector on a 50A plug is only rated for 40A charging. If you want something you can take with you in the future, hardwire a wall connector on a 60A breaker. If you decide to move, you can disconnect the wall connector, swap the breaker to 50A and slap a 14-50 outlet on the end and call the house EV ready.

 

[btcrealm]

1) There are very limited residential use cases for charging an EV with a generator. Even if your power goes out for a few days, it would almost certainly be cheaper and easier to stop at a Supercharger periodically. If you are driving so many miles as to need charging during a residential power outage, it's a near certainty these days that there will be a Supercharger near your route that works. This will save a lot of money and probably be more convenient than maintaining a generator for the occasional outage.

2) The number one most important quality in a Wall Connector used to charge your EV at home is long-term reliability. You want to install it and have it work flawlessly for many years. The electronics and connections inside a Wall Connector are subject to condensation and corrosion over time, especially if the cabinet is not well-engineered. Tesla knows how to engineer a Wall Connector that doesn't corrode inside in environments that experience large swings of temperature and humidity. A sealed aluminum case might be good for driving your car over it, but less than ideal from a condensation perspective.

Again all I'll say is to each their own.
I never stated it would be my primary home connector. I specifically stated an alternate purpose. There are no superchargers on trails, mountains, wilderness, etc. I haven't said anything to anyone here about unsafe usage of these units.
I've done some research and am not concerned with the reliability of the Grizzl-e brand.

Not to mention, a wall connector on a 50A plug is only rated for 40A charging. If you want something you can take with you in the future, hardwire a wall connector on a 60A breaker. If you decide to move, you can disconnect the wall connector, swap the breaker to 50A and slap a 14-50 outlet on the end and call the house EV ready.

Everyone here (foundation) has the option of Teslas power share install (at some point or another). To anyone that is in the position to use it I would say go with that for the primary home charging.
Again this is not being used as my primary home charging.

 

[mbrockus]

My Gen 3 charger for our Model Y kicked the bucket (apparently) during our move. Is there a way to replace the guts?

I've not heard of anyone doing that or where you would get the parts. When you say "kicked the bucket" what are you experiencing? No lights on the faceplate ? Red light on faceplate?

 

[smcnaughton829]

It's from 2020. They won't replace it.

I was told they have a 5 year warranty. You should check it out anyways

 

[HaulingAss]

Not to mention, a wall connector on a 50A plug is only rated for 40A charging. If you want something you can take with you in the future, hardwire a wall connector on a 60A breaker. If you decide to move, you can disconnect the wall connector, swap the breaker to 50A and slap a 14-50 outlet on the end and call the house EV ready.

If I wanted to take my Wall Connector with me, I would cap the wires according to code, turn off the breaker, and let potential buyers know there is a 60 amp charging circuit already installed. Because the only part that might be hard is getting power to the charging location.

But I would be a lot more likely to leave the Wall Connector there under the assumption that most people liking my house probably already have at least one EV.

 

[cyberos]

The real challenge is in the electrical work, not the wall charger. An electrician can run 48-50 A lines and on can plug in a $300 50 A wall charger from Amazon

I have personally done all of this and am apocalypse-ready. Pocketed the $2,500 store credit

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