WILL THE REAR WINDOW ROLL DOWN?

[JBee]

Well if you want to pay 80-110K for a triangle truck that you can shoot arrows at and go 0-60 in 3 secs. Seriously there are a lot more practical features on Ford and Chevrolet trucks than the CT. Tesla spends money on the CT on some questionable things (Elon whims) where as others are spending money on things their customers have asked for over decades.

The CT has a better charging network and L2 driving system which are strong points for me. If those were equal in the Ford T3 or others the CT would likely drop a lot lower on many peoples list except for the superfans that like arrows and tommy guns entertainment.

Are you sure you still live in Chicago though bud?
Does your Millenium Park still have metal detectors, like it did back in May when we visited?

Lol just kidding.

But seriously, I don't think ANY other vehicle has the same feature combination as the CT.
Amphibious (duck, here they come!), 4WS, SbW, Air-suspension, Vault cover, payload, casts, structural pack, SS exterior, no exoskeleton, no sixth seat, midgate or spare. It's all right there.

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[scottf200]

I don't personally care about the arrows or bulletproofness, I'm interested in the rust resistance and door ding resistance lol

If the charging network was the same I'd still pick CT over things like lightning and (probably but haven't actually seen it) silveraydo. The lightning at least feels outdated already. And the Silverado was murdered by the union so it doesn't really count.

Now 4WS I could've lived without. But I don't think there's much else that we know of so far that's like, meh it didn't need that. I am all about me some lockable storage with the vault. Everyone of my trucks have had toppers.

Well your point about door dings does ring true with me as well. I am fairly careful where I park my vehicles now and don't mind a few extra steps for the day. I'd like to park the CT at a trailhead or busy parking situation and not worry about it.

I 100% think the Lightning was an intermediate step to the T3 (BlueOval TN/KY). I've watched a fair amount of videos on the Silverado on the features and reasonings. They are very owner focused at least.

I can see the tonneau cover/vault but there are a LOT of solutions for existing traditional trucks.

 

[cbrtrckrsrvd112219]

Well if you want to pay 80-110K for a triangle truck that you can shoot arrows at and go 0-60 in 3 secs. Seriously there are a lot more practical features on Ford and Chevrolet trucks than the CT. Tesla spends money on the CT on some questionable things (Elon whims) where as others are spending money on things their customers have asked for over decades.

The CT has a better charging network and L2 driving system which are strong points for me. If those were equal in the Ford T3 or others the CT would likely drop a lot lower on many peoples list except for the superfans that like arrows and tommy guns entertainment.

I dont understand why are you complaining here.
you want features that ford and chevy has - go buy F150L or Chevy whatever EV. and as bonus - you can do it now!

 

[Bill837]

Well your point about door dings does ring true with me as well. I am fairly careful where I park my vehicles now and don't mind a few extra steps for the day. I'd like to park the CT at a trailhead or busy parking situation and not worry about it.

I 100% think the Lightning was an intermediate step to the T3 (BlueOval TN/KY). I've watched a fair amount of videos on the Silverado on the features and reasonings. They are very owner focused at least.

I can see the tonneau cover/vault but there are a LOT of solutions for existing traditional trucks.

Well, we dont know all about the CT yet, which is sort of why I stayed away from that aspect. That 8500lbs curb, that's a killer right there. That drives a massive inefficiency right from the start. No other way to make a unibody strong enough except through mass. I'm curiously waiting to see what the T3 brings.

What specific features on the SV do you think will be unique to it?

 

[scottf200]

Are you sure you still live in Chicago though bud?
Does your Millenium Park still have metal detectors, like it did back in May when we visited?

Lol just kidding.

But seriously, I don't think ANY other vehicle has the same feature combination as the CT.
Amphibious (duck, here they come!), 4WS, SbW, Air-suspension, Vault cover, payload, casts, structural pack, SS exterior,

no exoskeleton, no sixth seat, midgate or spare. It's all right there.

I do live in Chicagoland (<> Chicago). My future BEV truck is for the retirement area which is further south but not coastal south.

Funny list of features and non-features. Cast & structural packs & SbWire are funny user features in that users won't notice them! I think 4WS has some practical benefits (and keeps up with the Jones). I do have Air-Sus on my older TMX. The ride is decent but I won't like the repair bill (I've seen weird 'dash' and log (hidden menu) msgs occasionally about it).

Amphibious ... I've been to the Wisconsin Dells and ridden in Ducks. My retirement location does not include this risk factor.

 

[scottf200]

I dont understand why are you complaining here.
you want features that ford and chevy has - go buy F150L or Chevy whatever EV. and as bonus - you can do it now!

It is entirely reasonable for people to weigh the pros and cons of vehicles. It is reasonably to look at practicalities and use-case features. Clearly some of these things are one mans whims for superfans.

I waited 3 years for my 1st TMX. The Ford T3 is not built yet. I clearly pointed out features or benefits that I like in the Tesla eco-system ... please reread. I do roadtrips and use the L2 system regularly.

 

[JBee]

Being a surfer and saltwater fisherman I was anxiously awaiting to see if there would be a pass-thru between the cab and bed to be able to fit longer surfboards and fishing rods over 8’ when you want to lock them up, travel, etc. While is looks like this will not be in the design I was wondering if there has been any evidence that that the rear window will roll down. Has any of the early recon been able to verify this?

I thought it would be a bit rude not to at least address the question with some detail.

There are a few pages of threads where the Midgate and passthru were discussed back and forth, but essentially, the recent internal photos of the CT, that how the cabin and rear cast, also show a fixed rear bulkhead between them. This means the midgate is not possible, unless they reinforce the location they take that fixed bulkhead out of.

There is also the question of how the vault cover slides down the back of the rear bulkhead to get into the storage roll underneath the bed. This would interfere with the midgate and how it folds.

Likewise, this would also interfere with a roll down window, however this could be overcome with a lockout. More recently the rear bulkhead was changed so that the rear angle of the bulkhead nearly matched that of the rear glass, meaning technically, the glass could now slide down the bulkhead unimpeded. Although this might be more likely than the midgate, it's also not going to happen rom what we know.

The rear bed was also meant to get some HVAC, but apparently this has also been canned, probably for cost reasons, as the added HVAC capacity would of depleted range as well.

 

[cbrtrckrsrvd112219]

It is entirely reasonable for people to weigh the pros and cons of vehicles. It is reasonably to look at practicalities and use-case features. Clearly some of these things are one mans whims for superfans.

I waited 3 years for my 1st TMX. The Ford T3 is not built yet. I clearly pointed out features or benefits that I like in the Tesla eco-system ... please reread. I do roadtrips and use the L2 system regularly.

yes, it is reasonable to want things that you want. but it is mass market product and things YOU want might not critical for mass product and ROI on adding them is near zero.
about Musk whims - sure! some thing are there just because he thinks it's cool. the whole CT look and design is based on one thing - Elon thought it should look cool and not like anything on the market - one big whim. because he can!
you can either agree or disagree, and if you think you can do better - do it!

at this point of time the only thing that matters - mass production start at affordable price. otherwise it will go to history as vaporware.

 

[Gojuryu]

I have a Rav4 now bro and my long board still has to go on the rack.

 

[davelloydbrown]

I just want the back seats to fold up like in my silverado so I can easily fit my two golden retirevers

 

[scottf200]

Well, we dont know all about the CT yet, which is sort of why I stayed away from that aspect. That 8500lbs curb, that's a killer right there. That drives a massive inefficiency right from the start. No other way to make a unibody strong enough except through mass. I'm curiously waiting to see what the T3 brings.

What specific features on the SV do you think will be unique to it?

You are quite right that the Silverado 4WT curb weight is a lot. It goes 450 miles and wanted it to tow/haul and have a lot of outlet power like the Ford (10+ kW). They describe the "frame" and some hybrid not not specifically unibody. Like Ford there are a ton of creature comforts.

I really don't know what to expect for the Ford T3 but I think they understand the assignment. Ford has been a best seller for literally several decades ... that T3 is critical. One thing for sure is the integration they'll have with electronics so the OTA is a smoother process. Tesla and Rivian really understood that requirement. Lot of articles and videos on how the OEMs have been vexed with OTAs since they have longterm (well in advance) suppliers and getting the electronics to communicate and be adjustable on the fly is a brutal problem (brakes, steering, infotainment, etc).

 

[Skynet2023]

I have a Rav4 now bro and my long board still has to go on the rack.

Exactly. That’s why I have always owned full size SUV’s for my surf / fish / weekender vehicles and not a truck Or small SUV. Even my GL450 can fit two 9’ longboards and a short board inside and my Model S will fit my mid-length boards inside that likely won’t even fit in the bed of a cybertruck. Racks are always an option but many of us bring a couple boards (or several expensive 8’ fishing rods, etc.) which you can’t leave on the racks or when even doing short surf/fish trips and stopping for lunch youre always checking on the boards, rods, etc. I think Tesla may have underestimated how many prospective buyers could be weighing this feature heavily in deciding on a purchase. Im thinking some kind of shell could be a workaround but would be much easier if the window rolled down.

 

[scottyah]

First thing I'll do upon delivery is take a sawzall to that midgate blocker. XD
Middle back seat is useless compared to camp mode, and holding surfboards or long chunks of wood.
Possible problems: Tonneau and therefore vault will have to go too :/

 

[TyPope]

The rear window pushes out. I have that on good authority. Well, it pushes out once.

 

[PilotPete]

Well if you want to pay 80-110K for a triangle truck that you can shoot arrows at and go 0-60 in 3 secs. Seriously there are a lot more practical features on Ford and Chevrolet trucks than the CT. Tesla spends money on the CT on some questionable things (Elon whims) where as others are spending money on things their customers have asked for over decades.

The CT has a better charging network and L2 driving system which are strong points for me. If those were equal in the Ford T3 or others the CT would likely drop a lot lower on many peoples list except for the superfans that like arrows and tommy guns entertainment.

I don't personally care about the arrows or bulletproofness, I'm interested in the rust resistance and door ding resistance lol

Now 4WS I could've lived without. But I don't think there's much else that we know of so far that's like, meh it didn't need that. I am all about me some lockable storage with the vault. Everyone of my trucks have had toppers.

Ok, I want to call a time out and throw a reality check in here.

All these ”features” that everyone likes to say they can do without, aren’t the actual features. Tesla has a definite mission, to move the world to EVs, and to make cars safer. EM himself said (with great pride) no one to date, has died in a Tesla from heat. And look at Dog mode, all there for the protection of whatever is left in the car. So what are these “features”?

4WS. This is a SAFETY feature, that brings with it other added benefits. At freeway speeds, a large vehicle can quickly get out of control in a high speed evasive maneuver. Modern ICE SUVs are famous for roll-over accidents. 4WS greatly reduces this problem and WILL prevent accidents. To a lesser degree, large vehicles are involved in accidents in town with U-turns becoming 3 point turns in busy intersections. 4WS will prevent these as well. Accidents while towing trailers happen all the time as a result of trailer sway getting out of hand. 4WS will stop much of that as well. (I know, load the trailer right in the first place and you fix the problem as well.) So while you might have fun with crab walk or really tight parking jobs, there is a safety reason for 4WS. Comments about how this is just a waste of money and a stupid gimmick are somewhat myopic and just plain wrong.

Bulletproof and Arrowproof. Yes, Elon has said that is “bad-ass” to have. And there has been much discussion about lightening the CT by using something else. But the fact remains that the 3mm SS is part of the design. Change one thing, you have to change something else. When the roll-over spy photos came out, no one said “it would have faired better with 2mm SS.“ And I believe they have baked the 3mm SS into the crash protection, and structure, and all other manners of design, and end the end, made it safer. It’s not about withstanding a 9mm at distance, it’s about how strong the CT is, and how well it will last, and the abuse it will take. And the design (Let’s call it the Exo-Uni-NonFrame-kindaFuselageLike-NearCrab-body construction) is moving weight outward and it appears is saving some weight. It ain’t about playing cowboys and indigenous previous land holders.

There is a safety case for most of what is on the CT, don’t stop at just the interwebthing discussion about the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and taking arms and floating on a Sea of troubles.

Or, just go buy the same old crap that’s been out there for 100 years, and been warmed over and served over and over every year…

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