Cybertruck VIN decoder! -- GVWR Vehicle Weight Revealed + **only** Dual and Tri Motor for 2024

[SolarWizard]

Source?

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[Crissa]

It’s both.

No.

Bigger batteries, bigger motors are merely more reliable if you don't stress them.

There's no real way to 'give' there without decreasing reliability and increasing complexity, things Tesla will not do.

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

Citing sources would directly harm the sources

That would require sources.

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

@HaulingAss

Your comments around larger vs smaller batteries regarding longevity ignore the fact the lower DoD cycles significantly prolong battery life, in some cases 2-3x as many cycles are possible over the life of a battery.

To do the same with a smaller battery means you will have to charge even more often, resulting in even less useful non-degradong range per charge in comparison.

Also the extra thermal mass has a fairly trivial impact on longevity, given that it also helps just as much to keep the battery at the right temperature as well. Besides, the HVAC will only take a few minutes more than on a smaller pack to heat/cool it (no more than when you accelerate hard a few times in succession) and if overnight charging, will use plug power to do so, which will in turn lower your charge rate, but not impact battery life from temperature swings.

 

[JBee]

That would require sources.

-Crissa

You don't know everything, not even what cvalue13 says, seeing that you've blocked his posts.

So could you either engage properly or just be quiet about what you have no idea about?

Your political motivated FUD is just plain annoying otherwise, as is your vendetta obvious and petty.

Just degrades the whole discussion into a highschool popularity contest. Nobody here cares for that.

 

[cvalue13]

Note: There was also a box for "Battery" so I feel like that is a solid indicator that they are at least testing different battery sizes.

and the info in that box merely indicates 4680

“BTl = battery

46 = 4680

 

[cvalue13]

Its just that the 500-mile tri-motor was to be the flagship trim, and you are saying that Tesla is ditching the flagship trim, and they have never done that before to my knowledge.

I didn’t say they are ditching it

I said they’re not releasing one on Nov 30

whether they ever do is anyone’s guess

 

[cvalue13]

Source?

what on earth do you think I would say in response to this?

mince you have that answer in mind: why couldn’t a person with no source making things up say the same thing?

it’s a B.S. question, to zero end, other than to exercise your butthurt

 

[KScheidt]

I didn’t say they are ditching it

I said they’re not releasing one on Nov 30

whether they ever do is anyone’s guess

Any bets on when the EPA info will go public? Range details are really the only reason I check in here and on X at this point. I’m honestly looking forward to real life range anxiety over all this speculative range anxiety lol . . .

 

[cvalue13]

Any bets on when the EPA info will go public? Range details are really the only reason I check in here and on X at this point.

Regarding whether through some EPA regulatory mechanism there would be a back channel ‘release’ of those figures before Nov. 30, I don’t know

On that specific point, my working (but uninformed) assumption is that the first we’ll hear of it is on Nov. 30

have EPA numbers for a vehicle ever been made public by the EPA prior to the vehicle’s release? I don’t remember any from prior Tesla releases, but others have followed those more closely (I’m a ‘truck guy’)

as we chat about it, I wonder if that’s one of the utilities of an insider delivery event:

Tesla can be the first to announce range, before the release of EPA info is required (prior to retail sales, on this hypothesis).

 

[JBee]

I didn’t say they are ditching it

I said they’re not releasing one on Nov 30

whether they ever do is anyone’s guess

Sometimes even Tesla doesn't know all the details, as things change as development progresses.

So how can we know certain details even Tesla doesn't? ?

For me it makes perfect sense to run with with the most popular model and range, and just have the lower range 350mile battery accross all of them, with only a DM or TM drivetrain option, given that it also produces the maximum amount of vehicles into customers hands.

Previously performance models actually needed larger packs to provide the higher peak load power draw for high performance acceleration. But now with the lower resistance 4680 cells, and the larger pack sizes, this doesn't seem to be that much of an issue anymore.

If it were than a TM would actually need a larger pack as well for peak power.

Note here that the Plaid uses 18650 cells so they can better manage the thermals for peak, and not the 2170, that have a higher pack energy density.

Battery discharge rate, thermals and vehicle performance are interdependent, but at some point the battery size for a larger vehicle will become so large that peak performance plays a smaller role in the design choices.

 

[JBee]

Any bets on when the EPA info will go public? Range details are really the only reason I check in here and on X at this point. I’m honestly looking forward to real life range anxiety over all this speculative range anxiety lol . . .

Don't be distracted by some pundits that use your good will for political gain.

For what it's worth, to the best of my knowledge the 350mile CT range is where things will start and longer range will be subject to cell supply AND cell capacity constraints.

Physically there should be enough room for a pack around 140kWh in a single layer, meaning somewhere around 400-420miles for a single cell high pack. 500mile would be a 2 high stack, and I'm not sure this will ever be a thing given the nature of the pack to be structural, which is much harder to do with a double stack, and heavier, let alone reduces inside rear headroom which is already limited. If anything I expect a single row pack to stay, and extra range to stem from cell capacity improvements, but not more cells double stacked.

Overall this range in the CT is achieved by some impressive efficiency, which is in turn by way of their seemingly crazy low empty mass that reduces rolling resistance, and good aerodynamics, along with some special source in the drivetrain department. So even incremental cell capacity improvements can result in meaningful range improvements.

The only disadvantage here is that this efficiency also makes the range more sensitive to towing, or having things sticking out of the bed, or roof racks, that disrupt airflow. This is because it won't have the same battery capacity reserves other trucks use to get range.

Hope this helps with those anxieties...

 

[cvalue13]

Sometimes even Tesla doesn't know all the details, as things change as development progresses.

So how can we know certain details even Tesla doesn't? ?

?

and even if they knew ‘the plan’ today, only a fool would rely on it still being the plan later

 

[HaulingAss]

If a 300 mile battery actually got 300 miles I'd agree with you , Following best practices you are only going to have it charged to 80% and will want to charge it again as it approachs 20%. So thats 180 miles of range. Now tow something and your looking at 110. With a 500 mile battery following the same best practices you actually get 300 miles and about 200 miles of towing.

The last thing I want to do is try to charge while towing it is not a great thing in an EV today needing to unhook everything . There is a reason I don't have an F150 and its the range . If I want another 300 mile EV I'd just get another MY. Its a shame the silverado is going to have limited production. It was my fallback .

It's true, there is an optimum size of battery for every use case. Certainly, if towing long-distances is the primary use case, then you could likely double the battery size and get significantly longer life than a battery operated on the ragged edge of it's capabilities.

My claim was that in most use cases, including those that involve driving double the mileage of the average motorist, a bigger batter is not going to last significantly longer, certainly not enough that it becomes an economic benefit. Batteries age over time, regardless of how lightly they are used.

Get the battery that suits your most common use cases.

I'll be getting the 500+ mile range Cybertruck (when it's finally available) for it's extra capability, and because I can easily afford the extra expense, not because I'm worried about battery degradation. But I'll still appreciate the 300+ mile version that I'll be buying first for it's lighter weight and better driving dynamics, higher efficiency and lower purchase price.

 

[greggertruck]

Looks like you saw this thread and then posted it as BREAKING on your Twitter 30 minutes later.

Not declaring. More inquiring

I’m just gonna say I took it from here to move along and not go deep here. I do track a lot of things. Sorry @Throwcomputer - how would you like me to make it right for you?

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