Cybertruck VIN decoder! -- GVWR Vehicle Weight Revealed + **only** Dual and Tri Motor for 2024

[cvalue13]

initially. Unless you are claiming that there will 'never' be a 500-mile tri-motor variant. Do we have to restart that discussion all over again? Tesla only published a tri-motor trim with 500-mile range, so are you saying that that trim is being removed and a new one with ~300 mile range is being added?

we’re here talking about the models for which Tesla has filed VIN details, to be released this and next year

Tesla can always add models/trim levels.

It’s also possible that Tesla hasn’t yet solidified exact plans for, or doesn’t still question the viability of, additional models - and will play it by ear

not like the history of Tesla model/trim introduction suggests an unwavering plan, from which no deviation occurs

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[Regenshire]

Hummer EV and Rivian have/had 'tank mode'. Rivian decided against it because it would be abused and tear up the land you are on ... or wreck the drivetrain if on a surface that doesn't 'slip' (cement or the like non-slip surface).

My opinion is that the only reason the Quad Motor was announced was because at the time Rivian was releasing all those videos featuring tank turns. It seemed to me to be a reaction to that. The hype over that type of feature has died down and Rivian didn't even release it. Is there any other compelling reason for quad motors?

You can maybe argue there are some traction control gains you could get out of 4 vs 3 motors, but I doubt it would be that substantial.

 

[Sirfun]

Does the cargo capacity include passengers? I always thought they meant just non-passenger cargo but now that I think of it that doesn't make sense from a regulatory point of view. So if a Ford F-150 has a 2,000 pound cargo capacity (I do not know what its cargo capacity is) that could include 1,000 pounds of people and only have a usable cargo in the bed of less than 1,000 pounds? If so then the same argument applied to the CT would result in a useful cargo capacity of 2,500 pounds. Still a lot. Just wondering.

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[Jhodgesatmb]

I thought that guidance about possible reduced rebates was about battery chemistry and origin. The CT batteries are all US originated so it seems unlikely that any reductions would apply to CTs. Its moot for me since I will not qualify for a rebate.

 

[rudedawg78]

Wait no quad motor???????!?!?!?! /s

But but but...we were promised!

/S

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Good chart on the variations.

According to that chart passengers are not included in payload but maybe in cargo capacity. Is there a BEV equivalent to Dry Weight (e.g., w/o battery pack)?

 

[GuyV]

I think the dropping is related to other Tesla Models. A portion of the tax credit will reduce on January 1, 2024, depending on the sourcing of the battery materials. The cheaper Model 3 cars with LFP batteries from China could be affected, for example. But since I thought the Cybertruck batteries will be US made with US-sourced materials, if that's true, then we shouldn't see any reduction for the CyberTruck tax credit. But the source of the batteries and materials is definitely the sticking point...

It's still possible that new material sourcing rules could affect 4680s in 2024.

 

[rudedawg78]

So which configuration will the first deliveries be - tri-motor, dual-motor, or both?

- ÆCIII

Yes

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I was kidding. It’s been an undertone for a long time there is no quad motor.

It is hard to compare 'undertone' to a quote from Elon (I do not have a dog in the quad-motor fight by the way). I tend to discount anything not quoted from Elon or observed in real trucks. This is why I am hoping that Elon will present the features at delivery event. Just put an end to all of this conjecture, good or bad.

 

[JBee]

5500lbs (2500kg) sounds like it's on the light side. But with DM and a 3500lbs (1500kg) payload that would make it pretty fantastic. It's heading into ant territory, maybe those two have something in common afterall? ? lol.

In Australia we can drive up to 9900lbs (4500kg) on a standard car licence, but in Europe that's only good for up to 7700lbs (3500kg).

That means here in OZ we're good for both class G and H, and Europe might be able to scrape in on G with DM, if they de-rate the GVWR for a euro version by sacrificing some payload.

Would be great to have a vehicle that big that light, will give the Cruisers here a run for the money for sure.

That means with a 2x Plaid DM with around 700HP total we get a better power to weight ratio than a M3P. Gotta be happy with that for a truck!! Might even be a bit faster off the line because of the lower gearing. ?

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

we’re here talking about the models for which Tesla has filed VIN details, to be released this and next year

Tesla can always add models/trim levels.

It’s also possible that Tesla hasn’t yet solidified exact plans for, or doesn’t still question the viability of, additional models - and will play it by ear

not like the history of Tesla model/trim introduction suggests an unwavering plan, from which no deviation occurs

Its just that the 500-mile tri-motor was to be the flagship trim, and you are saying that Tesla is ditching the flagship trim, and they have never done that before to my knowledge.

 

[KScheidt]

I didn't see this in the thread yet but the pics of the spec sheet captured a few months back show the VIN for a Dual Motor Test/Release Candidate. The VIN indicates that while it is a Dual Motor, it falls in the "H" GVWR and thus the heavier of the two options. Perhaps Dual Motor has an LR battery and Tri is actually lighter for performance (and/or efficiency can be made up with variability of the Tri motor platform). Speculation obviously but open to others thoughts . . .

Note: There was also a box for "Battery" so I feel like that is a solid indicator that they are at least testing different battery sizes.

 

[rudedawg78]

As Tesla is the dealer, can Tesla then exclude things like FSD and pretty much all other options to keep the MSRP down for the rebate?

As discussed, FSD is software and does not factor into the federal tax credit.

 

[scottf200]

According to that chart passengers are not included in payload but maybe in cargo capacity. Is there a BEV equivalent to Dry Weight (e.g., w/o battery pack)?

I've seen GVWR = Curb + Crew + Payload
I think in that picture the people+suitecase image includes luggage (payload).
I've never heard of BEV and Dry Weight. Perhaps when batteries are Solid-state batteries /s

 

[MonkeyDeLuffy]

7G2 C E H ED 3 PAR = Dual same battery pack made in Austin

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