Rumor: $98900 price for tri-motor Cybertruck??

[IronStation]

Wonder what 2 million people groaning at the same moment if the dual/350 mile CT is released at 98k at the handover event?

The noise heard around the world.

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[Jhodgesatmb]

that contract does nothing but clarify how it’s NOT a binding agreement




Call it a personal failing, but I feel that not reading or understanding a disclosure/contract is what is unreasonable

EDIT TO ADD: I had no intent of throwing any strays *your* direction - unintended collateral damage, I suppose

A legal document is binding, even if it expressly says it makes no guarantees about features or prices. The fact that it makes requirements such as binding arbitration attest to it. My only argument is that, in providing such a document, Tesla is formalizing the reservation and thus everything that went along with it. They have held me to that agreement in the past.

 

[Dusty]

To put it simply, let's consider what the CT promised upon its unveiling and how that stacks up against the current EV market. If the CT fails to deliver on certain fronts—whether it's pricing, range, features, or specs—what are your alternatives?

Exactly what EV are you going to go buy as you stomp your feet, red faced, out the door?

The bottom line is that whatever will be will be, and the two options that are, at best, remotely similar to the CT promise (Rivian and F150L) aren't that close nor as compelling—to me anyway.

Even if the CT is totally f'd up, according to my personal needs, the R1S is the only other EV I'd consider, and it's still a hard sell to me. The F150 is just a non-start; too ugly, too boring, too street-queeny for me.

TLDR: I think the frustration, that erupts when bad news (real or imagined) crops up, is because we know this is the only compelling EV truck choice the market will see for the next half decade at minimum.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

To put it simply, let's consider what the Cybertruck (CT) promised upon its unveiling and how that stacks up against the current electric vehicle (EV) market. If the CT fails to deliver on certain fronts—whether it's pricing, range, features, or specs—what are your alternatives?

Exactly what EV are you going to go buy as you stomp your feet, red faced, out the door?

The bottom line is that whatever will be will be, and the two options that are, at best, remotely similar to the CT promise (Rivian and F150L) aren't that close nor as compelling—to me anyway.

Even if the CT is totally f'd up, according to my personal needs, the R1S is the only other EV I'd consider, and it's still a hard sell to me. The F150 is just a non-start; too ugly, too boring, too street-queeny for me.

TLDR: I think the frustration, that erupts when bad news (real or imagined) crops up, is because we know this is the only compelling EV truck choice the market will see for the next half decade at minimum.

You are right. The field of viable choices is narrow and the field of trustworthy actors (oems) is even narrower. I just thought and believed that Tesla was a trustworthy actor. I can get over it but there are certainly consequences to my loss of faith. Whereas until last month I would have waited a long time in the belief that Elon/Tesla would deliver on their promise that they never put out a prototype and then cut features or increase prices, I now know that that simply isn’t true. In a way Tesla is now worse than GM or Ford or VW and that puts me in a difficult situation.

 

[Dusty]

You are right. The field of viable choices is narrow and the field of trustworthy actors (oems) is even narrower. . . In a way Tesla is now worse than GM or Ford or VW and that puts me in a difficult situation.

Sorry if I missed your earlier issue, what promise did Tesla break?

I hope you're not in a huff over the, as-of-yet, unknown price?

 

[cvalue13]

A legal document is binding, even if it expressly says it makes no guarantees about features or prices. The fact that it makes requirements such as binding arbitration attest to it. My only argument is that, in providing such a document, Tesla is formalizing the reservation and thus everything that went along with it. They have held me to that agreement in the past.

if you’d like to take it offline so I can walk you through that document and what it actually says, I’m genuinely happy to do so

and that advice - recognizing this is a super cringy thing for a person to say, but I’m not sure how with brevity to say it better: for this sort of advice, companies bigger than Tesla pay my billable rate of $2,020/hour, because I’m good at it

in case brevity is sufficient: that document explicitly says, despite some flourishes that might befuddle the uninitiated:

(1) you paid $100 for them to fuss with understanding your order and trying to help you get a vehicle you want (because “deposits” in this context are illegal many places)

(2) to the extent the EXACT vehicle you configured in 2019 is ever made, and subject to them being able to re-price that exact vehicle however they wish, THEN they can decide (unilaterally) whether to make it available to you specifically

(3) but, they have zero obligation to ever make that or any other vehicle, at any price, or decide to offer it to you even if they did

(4) in which case, they can decide (unilaterally) whether to offer you some other vehicle, at some other price

(5) and if you ever have a problem with the above, you have to arbitrate it (rather than leave it to a possibly silly-headed jury); and in the unlikely chance you’re found right, you agree that your maximum damages is the $100 you gave them


In other words, that document isn’t conferring upon you any material rights, or upon Tesla any material obligations - that document is in effect YOU agreeing that TESLA don’t owe you anything. It’s worth something in THEIR files, not yours.

But said in a nice way, that won’t too negatively effect marketing

 

[CyberGus]

If Tesla reveals a $99K Cybertruck, they will be mailing out many $100 checks

 

[rbalkun]

Because he like to have aspirational goals of what the price could be. And likes to shock and awe. If he didn't reveal very stunning prices, then there wouldn't be 1 million + "reservations".

I think those launch prices were always to good to be true. But those prices keeps soo many ppl waiting around, hoping. Just like FSD will for sure happen this year. String people along until they can't wait.

I do think he knows the sweet spot for the first 6 months will be around 90k for those of who can afford it...after say 6 months and 20k units...dual comes out at $79,990 to take advantage of the instant rebate. That will hold for a while until they can see the actual demand then drop from there. This is my guess.

A lot of people’s AGI is too much for the “instant rebate”

 

[WHIZZARD OF OZ]

If Tesla reveals a $99K Cybertruck, they will be mailing out many $100 checks

DownUnder, l can hear the cry 'Cheque Mate'

 

[CyberGus]

companies bigger than Tesla pay my billable rate of $2,020/hour

By my math, you've donated about $750,000 to this forum

 

[cvalue13]

By my math, you've donated about $750,000 to this forum

Not counting my burner account I use to ‘like’ my own posts!

 

[Dusty]

After hanging around here for 2 years I think I know what groups are loudest about "deal killers":


- 7 Foot Bed Real Truck Apostles (dead ?)

- the 500 Mile Range Gang

- Must Tow 350-400 Miles (All Uphill) Posse

- The 20ft Garage Punks (looks around, throws up gang sign)

- $40k Hustlers (?‍ dead but don't know it ?‍ )

- <$80k Ballers Club



So when a post threatens any of these groups, you'd better believe there's gonna be a keyboard getting a beatdown.

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