Break down / value of what you get for the Foundation Series' premium price

[freakyguy666]

Well, I’m *pretty confident* there will be more than 1,000

but I’m *pretty certain* no one should expect to be able to resell FSD, home-installed power kits, etc., which are a large chunk of the value of the Foundation series

Do you have a link to where Tesla states FSD for Foundation CT is not transferable?

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[thedownwardmachine]

Historically FSD has been transferable in private party transfers, so idk why you wouldn't be able to resell your Foundation CT (after a year or more) and have FSD stay with it. How much value it will add is a different question.

It's true that Tesla can remove FSD on resale. I happen to have a 2019 Model S that had FSD from the factory (it was on the window sticker) but did not come with the vehicle when I bought it used (nor did I expect it to). I bought the vehicle from a large reseller that bought it at auction, and the previous owner was named as corporate (iirc) so I think it was a lease return. So I guess Tesla leased it with FSD and then scrubbed the FSD since they figured it wouldn't add enough value to make it worth leaving on the vehicle.

But this was an exceptional circumstance, I don't expect it to happen in the types of scenarios we are talking about here.

 

[cvalue13]

Do you have a link to where Tesla states FSD for Foundation CT is not transferable?

only my undersrandinfthe general history of Tesla disallowing transfer of FSD, but for a “one time amnesty” given earlier this year and specifically cutt-off prior to CT sales

like all things, it remains theoretically possibly that Tesla changes it’s historical course and decides to do something different

and like all things, I’m happy to be corrected

and like all things, all but the most pedantic understand such a caveats apply


I also can’t say for certain that a teapot isn’t floating in the rings of Saturn, but for general conversation purposes I feel comfortable just saying “there isn’t”

 

[freakyguy666]

only my undersrandinfthe general history of Tesla disallowing transfer of FSD, but for a “one time amnesty” given earlier this year and specifically cutt-off prior to CT sales

like all things, it remains theoretically possibly that Tesla changes it’s historical course and decides to do something different

and like all things, I’m happy to be corrected

and like all things, all but the most pedantic understand such a caveats apply


I also can’t say for certain that a teapot isn’t floating in the rings of Saturn, but for general conversation purposes I feel comfortable just saying “there isn’t”

Extremely poor attempt at an analogy but thanks for verifying what I suspected.

 

[DumpsterFire]

You always want to buy the latest production version to get all the latest toys.

Lol. Isn’t that what all the peeps that ordered the Foundation just did???

Just staaaaahp… ?

 

[mark555055c]

I hate to break it to people, but if you want the $79,990 CyberTruck, you will be waiting over a year. That will also be for the lucky people that get the first invite.

People are ordering the CyberBeast with an end of 2024 date. If you don't want the Foundation Series, you don't want a CyberTruck in 2024.

Yeah I meant in terms of when I can order. I'm relatively near the front of the line so I expect to be able to configure my vehicle by April or May. We shall see.

 

[Bkb13]

only my undersrandinfthe general history of Tesla disallowing transfer of FSD, but for a “one time amnesty” given earlier this year and specifically cutt-off prior to CT sales

like all things, it remains theoretically possibly that Tesla changes it’s historical course and decides to do something different

and like all things, I’m happy to be corrected

and like all things, all but the most pedantic understand such a caveats apply


I also can’t say for certain that a teapot isn’t floating in the rings of Saturn, but for general conversation purposes I feel comfortable just saying “there isn’t”

The amnesty was to transfer FSD from 1 car to another.

What I thought was being asked was if you could transfer FSD from 1 owner to another.

 

[cvalue13]

Extremely poor attempt at an analogy but thanks for verifying what I suspected.

you and your inability to understand how analogies work

(that one only among the most famous in epistemology, for describing how decisions of truth/falsity are reached)


MEANWHILE

would you like to contribute anything substantive to this forum, or just throw strays and behave like a troll

Please, enlighten us with what “you expected” or the exact outer boundaries of the edge cases where what I said in brief is so deeply incorrect it incites your un-substantive derision

I’ll help:

In private sales, it usually works

In sales to non-Tesla dealers, it sometimes but not always works

in trade-ins to Tesla, new or used, it almost never includes value for FSD

 

[George Costanza]

Extremely poor attempt at an analogy but thanks for verifying what I suspected.

My experience has been that FSD has generally stayed with the car during resale to a new owner, unless the resale went through Tesla (either as a lease return or a trade in) in which case it was up to Tesla to decide whether to disable it or not for the next owner.

The "one time amnesty" earlier this year was NOT about the FSD transfer to the next owner, but for the current owner to transfer his FSD from his current car to his new car -- two totally different concepts.

 

[freakyguy666]

you and your inability to understand how analogies work

(that one only among the most famous in epistemology, for describing how decisions of truth/falsity are reached)


MEANWHILE

would you like to contribute anything substantive to this forum, or just throw strays and behave like a troll

Please, enlighten us with what “you expected” or the exact outer boundaries of the edge cases where what I said in brief is so deeply incorrect it incites your un-substantive derision

I’ll help:

In private sales, it usually works

In sales to non-Tesla dealers, it sometimes but not always works

in trade-ins to Tesla, new or used, it almost never includes value for FSD

Actually I just recently corrected your incorrect post.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...mal-retail-config-‼️.10623/page-3#post-213111

Seek help.

 

[cvalue13]

Well, I’m *pretty confident* there will be more than 1,000

but I’m *pretty certain* no one should expect to be able to resell FSD, home-installed power kits, etc., which are a large chunk of the value of the Foundation series

EDIT TO ADD, BECAUSE

(1) TROLLS LOOKING FOR ‘GOTCHAS’ WITH UN-GENEROUS INTERPRETATIONS ARE THE WORST, OR

(2) IN MY BREVITY, IT APPARENTLY MIGHT CONFUSE GOOD-INTENTIONED MEMBERS

SO HERE GOES:


in the context of discussing how one might try to anticipate / risk adjust the future resell value of the Foundation package …

(1) we have good reason to believe ~NO feature of the Foundation package will be exclusive to only Foundarion packages, other than really the badging (the website code already shows all the items as either standard in BEASTor options in AWD

(2) the power hardware included but installed in your house is unlikely to be desired by you or a buyer as included in a future on sale

(3) if you’re the sort of person to be purchasing new Tesla’s like the Cybertruck, you’re also more likely to do so in your next car purchase, and so “one should [not] expect to be able to resell FSD” insofar as Tesla doesn’t give you trade-in value for FSD nor ‘transfer’ or to a new or used Tesla purchased from Tesla


OF COURSE, YOU COULD GO THROUGH THR BRAIN DAMAGE OF SELLING IT PRIVATELY FIRST but then of course you lose the value of the tax advantages of trading in (which may materially or entirely offset the ‘value’ you get for FSD)

OF COURSE, YOU COULD DECIDE TO BUY YOUR NEXT CAR PRIVATELY but then of course you likely lose a material amount of any tax incentive for buying new (which may materially or entirely offset the ‘value’ you get for FSD in a private sale)


WHICH COLLECTIVELY, means:

while of course a person might eventually thread some needle where the value of FSD in a CT is realized in a future on-sale, for purposes of a forward looking, risk-adjusted, probabilistic evaluation of whether the FSD (or other Foundation features) will command or return any future premium on a resale…

…“I’m *pretty certain* no one should expect to be able to resell FSD, home-installed power kits, etc., which are a large chunk of the value of the Foundation series”




wasn’t that fun?

happy as ever to entertain thoughtful counterfactuals or well-reasoned alternative views as to why a person buying a Foundation CT should instead reasonably “bank on” materially getting that FSD value “back”

 

[cvalue13]

The amnesty was to transfer FSD from 1 car to another.

What I thought was being asked was if you could transfer FSD from 1 owner to another.

see post immediately above

what *was* being discussed, what my initial post was responding to, was this:

Will the 1,000 Founders Editions series have a better resale value down the road?

One shouldn’t bank in that

for a lot of reasons

not least being, a huge part of the apparent value of the Founders package is the value of FSD

and there are a lot of reasons, in this context, to not bank on realizing that FAD value in a future transaction

so yes, you could

(1) sell your CT with FSD to a private party, and believe you’re getting some premium in the sale bc the FSD THEN

(2) go buy a new car from Tesla, but have to pay 100% of the sales taxes, and THEN

(3) re-purchase FSD for your new car, at the then going-rate


and THEN console yourself by telling yourself you got back the value of FSD In the CT

Of course there will be exceptions to these outcomes, but as ever exceptions prove rule

and we’re here talking about risk-adjusted value TODAY, not imagined edge case scenarios TOMORROW

 

[VinVeg]

Yeah, I suppose. For rich people I suppose no biggie to spend an extra 25% over normal MSRP to get something 3 months earlier than others.

I've waited four years, I suppose I could wait another 3 months and save 20k. LOL

My biggest upset is that I, like others, have really been saving for these 4 years and do actually have the funds to buy the Foundation series and wouldn’t hesitate to do so, but CAN’T because we didn’t get an invite!

Which means folks who don’t want to pay the premium or don’t have the funds or really want the RWD are pressed to either stretch to pay now, stress about loosing their place and/or fret about somehow holding up the line!

Please don’t misunderstand, I am no at all jealous of those who have invitations. It’s awesome! I would totally be excited if I was them and am for them…

But MAN is it frustrating to read about people who don’t even want the vehicle right now getting invites to sit on, while others would happily move the line by taking the first off the factery floor so everyone else can get them sooner without further frustration for EVERYONE.

I know Tesla will sell those Foundations soon enough, so they aren’t sweating this at all. But may be making their own speedbump.
They have to spit out the Foundations first.
And that should be fast… Like preconfigured combo meals at restaurants: not a myriad of options just one or two configurations that they can repeat 1000 times
Brilliant… but if those 1000 take weeks to get locked in, order-wise… then the next run has to wait. Bummer for everyone.

Yes I am both semi-selfish and semi concerned about everyone in the line… We waited for our last two cars and it wasn’t this annoying… For the M3 we reserved later than for the CT (immediate reservation on Day 1 the second it was possible)… This seems very disjointed… perhaps it is because we are so excited and read everything.

 

[Jamessmooth007]

Tesla Foundation series includes:

$295 All-Weather interior liners
$115 Glass roof sunshade
$40 Center console tray
$45 Gear locker dividers
$40 Vault D-rings
$25 L-track hooks
$25 L-track bottle opener
$1,000 White decor (current Tesla upcharge from black to white interior)
$600 Powershare home charger
$230 Powershare mobile connector
$1,000 - $2,000 est. Powershare/Powerwall v3 gateway plus installation up to $4,000; installation bonus appers to be for Beast only, not dual motor
$3,000 20 inch Cyberwheels with 35 inch tires (based on Rivian upcharge and cost of one Cyberwheel spare $1,200)
$7,000 FSD if configured on order prior to configuration locked by Tesla. Milestone passed.
$1,000 Lifetime premium connectivity ($100 per year)
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$14,415 - $15,500 estimated value

Imo this is one of the more accurate lists I’ve seen. It cracks me up when I see someone use the 12k for FSD in the calculations. Many of us in this forum probably reserved many years ago. Only time I’ve ever seen people want FSD to cost MORE ?

 

[scottf200]

Only time I’ve ever seen people want FSD to cost MORE ?

However, we have seen no proof that Tesla is going to honor that $7K or $8K FSD number. We do know that it cost $12K for new buyers and use to be $15K!!!!

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