"Cybertruck is necessarily lowest priority for FSD..." - Elon Musk (12/30/23)

[RayzorBEV]

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[Dazajj]

Just further proof that Tesla really doesn't care for their customers. To effectively force early reservation holders to pay for an obscenely expensive feature (if they want the CT in a reasonable time, which of course they do, that's why they ordered first day) that you know you are not in any rush to actually make useable is a very bad look.

Yeah it’s shitty that they would make FSD part of the mark up yet not deliver on it.. like, WTF?

 

[Sjohnson20]

as long as it has adaptive cruise then im good for now

 

[scottf200]

because with the Ct it’s not merely about priorities all else equal, but additionally because CT presents new, one-off, and non-trivial challenges with respect to 4WS+SBW

The Cybertruck will have the least amount of data available, which will make it the most difficult to work with FSD. it also has to account for the steer by wire and the rear wheel steering.

I used AP and now FSDbeta a significant amount on our '17 X ... as in most of the time. As an earlier Tesla, I don't have an interior camera and I really like it that way since there is less monitoring. Obviously, I need regular steering wheel input and my strikes before being disabled is 3 instead of 5 but I haven't had any (very few) issues.

AP/FSD working on 'all' road types is one of a few reasons that I would consider a Cybertruck over other BEV trucks which remains even in 2025 with others having built-in NACS (v3+ superchargers).

I would think that SbW would be the simpler of those two problems to handle. It would seem they could fairly easily translate that to exiting Tesla steering input.

4WS seems like a more complicated issue with the variances by speed and 'parking' lot/tight circles vs highway shifting/gliding to the next lanes.

I wonder if they could have an intermediate option on the highway to disable the rear steering to allow AP/FSD to work like their other cars.

 

[Rutrow]

So how far out in the future do you predict that the Cybertruck will actually have FSD enabled?

Two weeks... (aka 2027)

 

[Gurule92]

Seems like some people interpret this as it's never going to happen. It will. Probably before a lot of us get our trucks. Right now there just aren't that many. So it's not a big deal.

Normal AP will come pretty quick I bet.

 

[Rutrow]

Have heard the new update is pretty strict, did that strike for taking off your hat impact your insurance?

Marty Feldman's insurance has tripled... ?

 

[Nabilriaz69]

20,000 Foundation series has FSD, where that money is going ? people paid for FSD years ago, they do not own the cars that used to have FSD.
I did try FSD, it is slow and get confused, not very excited about it, Enhanced Auto Pilot is better value.

 

[Nabilriaz69]

It's unfortunate but it's understandable. FSD is still just in beta and we are coming up to version 12 which is supposed to be the biggest improvement.

The Cybertruck will have the least amount of data available, which will make it the most difficult to work with FSD. it also has to account for the steer by wire and the rear wheel steering.

Like everything Tesla does, I think they will make these decisions to benefit the most amount of people in the best way. If the first year of deliveries don't immediately have FSD, that's not a terribly large amount of people being upset. It's unfortunate but if it leads to a better starting system when the Cybertruck gets it, I would understand having to wait a bit.

then why asking CT customers to pay for it in Foundation Series? to develop it further ? why it is not optional ?

 

[cybguy]

Low priority with 20k+ Foundation units. Wow.

Musk himself said a few hundred not 20K, And yes, they're all FS.

 

[cybguy]

Yeah it’s shitty that they would make FSD part of the mark up yet not deliver on it.. like, WTF?

I agree. FSD is not a big selling point to me. But if I pull the trigger on the FS purchase I would have expected it to be there in beta. I've been going back and forth on purchasing the FS this weekend after my invite during the week. Even before hearing this I was leaning against purchasing as of today. Does anyone know how long you have to decided after your invite? I logged in yesterday for the first time to look at details. I might just wait it out and see more data on range before deciding to purchase any Cybertruck.

 

[cvalue13]

I would think that SbW would be the simpler of those two problems to handle. It would seem they could fairly easily translate that to exiting Tesla steering input.

sure, but remember it’s dynamic variable SBW

so it’s not a 1-for-1 ‘translation’ from existing Tesla steering input


and moreover, with these things it can be less about the theory of how to ‘translate’ than it is the practical challenges of performing that ‘translation’ between on the one hand the existing software architecture of FSD for a non-variable, non-dynamic physical linkage, to on the other hand and instead the incorporation of new software arch on ‘top’ of that existing arch

in theory, that ‘translation’ could be as easy as saying “a bat already flies, shouldn’t be hard to make it fly a little faster by gluing a few things to its wings”, or as hard as saying “some bats can see pretty well, shouldn’t be too hard to make other bats see pretty well by gluing a few things to it’s eyeballs.”

and here, it seems possible the case is more like the latter (in addition to 4WS bumps), since the end result is CT being released absent AP/FSD with no signal from Tesla about how long it might be until…

 

[Dazajj]

I agree. FSD is not a big selling point to me. But if I pull the trigger on the FS purchase I would have expected it to be there in beta. I've been going back and forth on purchasing the FS this weekend after my invite during the week. Even before hearing this I was leaning against purchasing as of today. Does anyone know how long you have to decided after your invite? I logged in yesterday for the first time to look at details. I might just wait it out and see more data on range before deciding to purchase any Cybertruck.

Not really sure how long you have until the invite disappears. That said, if you want a CT anytime in the 12months, it seems that this is the only way to go… Non-FS CTs seem to be a ways out.. IMO

 

[REM]

Just further proof that Tesla really doesn't care for their customers. To effectively force early reservation holders to pay for an obscenely expensive feature (if they want the CT in a reasonable time, which of course they do, that's why they ordered first day) that you know you are not in any rush to actually make useable is a very bad look.

FSD depends on a very large data set that must be provided by a real fleet of vehicles.

I really expected people on this forum to have a better understanding of how all this works. Auto-pilot will be enabled when they hit a certain accuracy threshold, and same for FSD.

edit: also, one huge element to the FSD program that most people don't understand is that FSD is not currently a product for sale.

Conditional early/beta access to the program is what they are currently selling to consumers.

 

[cybguy]

Not really sure how long you have until the invite disappears. That said, if you want a CT anytime in the 12months, it seems that this is the only way to go… Non-FS CTs seem to be a ways out.. IMO

You're probable right, I only placed my order about 10-15 minutes after the unveiling because I wanted a new truck in about 5 years and not within the first 6 months of sales. At this point ideally I'd take delivery in July or August. Tesla predicts Jan -Mar 2024 delivery if I order now. However if it's another year or so from now I can live with that.

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