"Cybertruck is necessarily lowest priority for FSD..." - Elon Musk (12/30/23)

[Tiberius]

I paid for it before and it took two years before even the earliest of betas arrived in my car.
Even less reason to pay for FSD again

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[scottf200]

FSD depends on a very large data set that must be provided by a real fleet of vehicles.

I really expected people on this forum to have a better understanding of how all this works. Auto-pilot will be enabled when they hit a certain accuracy threshold, and same for FSD.

That is confusing to me. Tesla already had a very large dataset. It is true that the Cybertruck will be from a little bit higher angle but they *already* deal with this since the TM3 and TMS are lower than the TMY and TMX.

 

[cybguy]

My wife is going to look at me like I’m an idiot when i tell her that the CT wont be able to do any of the FSD that I’ve been talking about for the past 4 years. : /

I'm not a lawyer but I'd suggest everyone taking delivery of a FS Cybertruck send notice to Tesla opting out of arbitration. I'll certainly send notice as per their purchase agreement no matter what Cybertruck I end up with.

 

[CyberMoose]

That is confusing to me. Tesla already had a very large dataset. It is true that the Cybertruck will be from a little bit higher angle but they *already* deal with this since the TM3 and TMS are lower than the TMY and TMX.

Cybertruck has different angles for cameras but also different dimensions, steer by wire, rear steering and of course a front camera that will be utilized by FSD.

So there are a number of changes

 

[VR Driving]

We have mentioned before that Cybertruck will not have FSD enabled out of the box since there is not a large enough fleet to provide the data to enable FSD. S3XY has an enormous fleet compared to the Cybertruck which is probably still under 1000. The data has to be trained based on the camera position on the vehicle. The Semi also does not have AP and FSD enabled at the moment for the very same reason.

 

[scottf200]

sure, but remember it’s dynamic variable SBW

so it’s not a 1-for-1 ‘translation’ from existing Tesla steering input

and moreover, with these things it can be less about the theory of how to ‘translate’ than it is the practical challenges of performing that ‘translation’ between on the one hand the existing software architecture of FSD for a non-variable, non-dynamic physical linkage, to on the other hand and instead the incorporation of new software arch on ‘top’ of that existing arch

in theory, that ‘translation’ could be as easy as saying “a bat already flies, shouldn’t be hard to make it fly a little faster by gluing a few things to its wings”, or as hard as saying “some bats can see pretty well, shouldn’t be too hard to make other bats see pretty well by gluing a few things to it’s eyeballs.”

and here, it seems possible the case is more like the latter (in addition to 4WS bumps), since the end result is CT being released absent AP/FSD with no signal from Tesla about how long it might be until…

I definitely knew it wasn't 1-for-1 and that is not what I meant by 'translate'.

Tesla *already* have variable electric power steering and different selectable modes like Standard, Comfort, Sport, and Track. Example: "Sport - Increases the effort required to turn the steering wheel. When driving at higher speeds, [it] feels more responsive."

 

[scottf200]

Cybertruck has different angles for cameras but also different dimensions

I guess I was pointing out that those two points do not matter because they have that situation already with four different sizes and height models of cars. Some (X) have air suspension and ride at different heights too. They already figured that out and presumably use large datasets for all of them.

 

[Ward L]

Only Tesla can sell vaporware at premium prices. This is so crazy. FSD isn't out of Beta on my Model 3, so it doesn't work. I just ordered a FS CT, paying for FSD and now I find out Tesla doesn't plan to prioritize installing it on the Cybertruck?

 

[mrbulk]

Auto pilot is not enabled on any CT as of yet

Auto pilot on CT is not just also the lowest priority (apparently, per Musk), but also the most difficult to solve for (second to FSD)


because with the Ct it’s not merely about priorities all else equal, but additionally because CT presents new, one-off, and non-trivial challenges with respect to 4WS+SBW[/]

Agree 100% *MadApplause*

 

[Gigahorse]

I paid for it before and it took two years before even the earliest of betas arrived in my car.
Even less reason to pay for FSD again

I guess the good news was back then it would have been super cheap?
Little tough now for FS to be forced into taking it and have it potentially not rolling out with deliveries.

 

[Gigahorse]

Only Tesla can sell vaporware at premium prices. This is so crazy. FSD isn't out of Beta on my Model 3, so it doesn't work. I just ordered a FS CT, paying for FSD and now I find out Tesla doesn't plan to prioritize installing it on the Cybertruck?

I don't mind gambling on FSD coming down the road and being awesome if it delivers, little tough if you already paid for FS and got forced to take it and now getting the news it may be a while before you can use it. Voluntary vs kinda non-voluntary

 

[Ward L]

Yeah, talk to the 2015 Model S buyers that were promised FSD. Something like "Oh, it will drive your kids to school, drop them off and return home".

 

[rudedawg78]

Only Tesla can sell vaporware at premium prices. This is so crazy. FSD isn't out of Beta on my Model 3, so it doesn't work. I just ordered a FS CT, paying for FSD and now I find out Tesla doesn't plan to prioritize installing it on the Cybertruck?

Yeah, it's crazy paying for something that we might not even see or utilize for a year or more. We are pretty much preordering FSD with an unknown release date.

I usually like paying for stuff I receive immediately or within a reasonable amount of time. We shouldn't even be allowed to preorder FSD unless there is a predicted release.

I mean, how many Cybertrucks has to be in the fleet before Tesla prioritizes its release? I understand there are many variables that FSD has to account for in the Cybertruck, but why pay for it when only God knows the release date? Come on, man!

 

[REM]

That is confusing to me. Tesla already had a very large dataset. It is true that the Cybertruck will be from a little bit higher angle but they *already* deal with this since the TM3 and TMS are lower than the TMY and TMX.

The CyberTruck is a completely different platform. While some data can be used from the other vehicles, much of it will need to come from the CT fleet in order to certify. There are a ton of factors that go into the equation like:

• Stopping power (weight/speed/conditions/ambient temperature/brake temperature)
• Is the vehicle towing something?
• Is there a significant amount of cargo? Can it shift during sudden movements?
• Visibility - What are the blind spots for the vehicle?
• Steering - This platform is completely brand new to not only Tesla, but the entire industry (consumer vehicles).
• Rear wheel steering geometries.
• Aerodynamics - how will it behave in very high, intermittent gusts of side wind? What happens when an 18 wheeler passes it in an opposing lane and the wind pushes the CT hard?
• How much different is manual override with steer by wire then the rest of the fleet?
  
  all of this and much more has to be certified before the public can use it.

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