Foundation Series Remorse

[Woodrick]

I don't think I used the word "Failure" once.
I am bummed about the CT not getting 500+ miles of range, and concerned about towing with it.

As far as "productive" not sure I can impact the truck, but I can be "positive" about good news coming out. Which we have been getting some!

Get over the 500 number. It was never planned or intended to get 500 miles at 75 mph. That's your mistake concluding it. It's not an ICE, you were thinking ICE.

And yes, posting new range numbers is great. Posting routes that are marginal or long that you will never take is non-productive.

People read these non-productive posts and things that the sky is falling, which as you just posted isn't the case.

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[scottf200]

I travel +400 miles 4-5 times a year to tent camp with family. It is easy in ModelY but am very much hoping to do the same trips with a lightweight/teardrop TravelTrailer behind CT.
Doesn’t seem like too much to ask.

You said 'tent camp' above but then everyone assume pulling a camper ... and you said some thing that would imply it too.

I'm confused. Are you tent camping or trailer camping?
If trailer camping, then did you pull that with your Model Y or some other vehicle?

 

[scottf200]

Aside: ABRP and CT w/R.E. interplay

FYI, using the Cybertruck AWD Dual *with* Range Extender is really seems to be having some interplay conflicts with standard ABRP trip optimizing. Could be large pack of ~173 kWh that is throwing it off. Curious!

Even if I use the sliding scale for 'Charging Stops' to do 'few but long' is is trying to stay under 50% charging (except 1 stop!!) Illogical to me. I would expect it to charge to 80% or more using the 'few but long' input.

FYI, to anyone that cares but I reported this to ABRP and they asked for a link to my plan.
I provided that so hopefully my example lets them work on a solution. My gut feel is they added it with new kWh values (173=123+50) but maybe their algo wasn't fletched out with that much 'fuel'. Still the 'few but long' option being ignored sure seems like a clear software bug to me (a developer).

 

[Woodrick]

You said 'tent camp' above but then everyone assume pulling a camper ... and you said some thing that would imply it too.

I'm confused. Are you tent camping or trailer camping?
If trailer camping, then did you pull that with your Model Y or some other vehicle?

I'm guessing that they are on the RV curve.

You start tent camping, you like it.
It would be nice if we had an enclosed trailer and a toilet. And you get a small camper.
But that camper gets a little small, so time for a bigger camper.
Crap, the Camry doesn't pull the bigger trailer, rime for a truck.
Okay, they say it's easier to tow with a fifth-wheel, so I go buy a dually.

Seen it wat too many times.

 

[Woodrick]

FYI, to anyone that cares but I reported this to ABRP and they asked for a link to my plan.
I provided that so hopefully my example lets them work on a solution. My gut feel is they added it with new kWh values (173=123+50) but maybe their algo wasn't fletched out with that much 'fuel'. Still the 'few but long' option being ignored sure seems like a clear software bug to me (a developer).

Are you suggesting that no one ever thought about taking the Hummer EV on a long trip? Unable to process the bigger numbers?


Just joking.

 

[scottf200]

I'm guessing that they are on the RV curve.

You start tent camping, you like it.
It would be nice if we had an enclosed trailer and a toilet. And you get a small camper.
But that camper gets a little small, so time for a bigger camper.
Crap, the Camry doesn't pull the bigger trailer, rime for a truck.
Okay, they say it's easier to tow with a fifth-wheel, so I go buy a dually.

Seen it wat too many times.

haha, when my kids were young we started off tent camping and my wife tolerated it ... not thrilled but never really complained and made due. After some hot nights, some occasional rain trips, and many hours loading/unload here and there, then dad got tired of it too. Bought a Jayco hybrid with popup ends and solid center and a newer used Ford Expedition. That was fantastic for years for everyone involved. -- we stopped there tho. Now wife and I camp at a hotel / VRBO.

 

[Outdoors]

everyone who uses ABRP knows what that does

why are you always so pretentious?


speaking of, hey @Outdoors, looks like @Woodrick also disagrees with your 5-50% claptrap being the solution to the core of range anxiety:




exactly, which re-makes the point being earlier debated about the “pro tip” RE 5-50%:

people’s range anxiety does not pivot on drives with “strings of [fast chargers]” allowing for 5-50% driving

people’s range anxiety pivots on the parts of certain drives with seemingly material gaps in superchargers, even if those are edge cases


to THAT point of anxiety, I and others were pointing out the optional solutions, and placing high in the solution set driving slower

which of course is also Tesla’s preferred solution:




Which is why, in a discussion about range anxiety, this “pro tip” seemed so out of touch (and bizarrely soaked in that earlier-mentioned pretentiousness):

I don't know why anyone is even doing this exercise. The data is in its infancy. Kind of like your winded response. The splash and dash is dependent on the vehicle. One can't do it in a Tesla S60 for example. Duh. There is the dunce cap.

One has to wait till the taper is real and maybe 6 months old. I think they have adjusted the charging speed what 12 times on my S and 3 each.

Starting to do some of research on your posts. Some are multiple pages long and were created less than a minute prior to someone quoting you. How do you do that?

 

[Outdoors]

I'm excited to see once a ton of CTs are out there and suddenly all the compalints disappear, because very few people actually drive hundreds of miles in a day, and even fewer choose not to stop at least every 2-3 hours when they do.

Once all the truck deliveries appear the people start to grin. Use their trucks and the haters fade away. Clenching tightly ones keyboard trying as hard as they can to disrupt peoples fun.

 

[cvalue13]

Starting to do some of research on your posts. Some are multiple pages long and were created less than a minute prior to someone quoting you. How do you do that?

holy sh+t, you're literally suggesting I use AI ?? I thought that early quip was just a bad attempt at a dig

hey @CyberGus , I'm literally passing the Turning test!

 

[DumpsterFire]

haha, when my kids were young we started off tent camping and my wife tolerated it ... not thrilled but never really complained and made due. After some hot nights, some occasional rain trips, and many hours loading/unload here and there, then dad got tired of it too. Bought a Jayco hybrid with popup ends and solid center and a newer used Ford Expedition. That was fantastic for years for everyone involved. -- we stopped there tho. Now wife and I camp at a hotel / VRBO.

I’m with you man. What am I supposed to sleep on the ground like a savage?? ?

 

[Baldyloxx]

It’s pretty self explanatory, I think…

I travel +400 miles 4-5 times a year to tent camp with family. It is easy in ModelY but am very much hoping to do the same trips with a lightweight/teardrop TravelTrailer behind CT.

Doesn’t seem like too much to ask.

You said 'tent camp' above but then everyone assume pulling a camper ... and you said some thing that would imply it too.

I'm confused. Are you tent camping or trailer camping?
If trailer camping, then did you pull that with your Model Y or some other vehicle?

I'm guessing that they are on the RV curve.

You start tent camping, you like it.
It would be nice if we had an enclosed trailer and a toilet. And you get a small camper.
But that camper gets a little small, so time for a bigger camper.
Crap, the Camry doesn't pull the bigger trailer, rime for a truck.
Okay, they say it's easier to tow with a fifth-wheel, so I go buy a dually.

Seen it wat too many times.

And yes, CT should be able to manage the weight better than my current ModelY.

I by no means am looking to pull the full 11K ever. Been there done that, not a fan..

 

[scottf200]

Note: I mostly use the browser interface to ABRP but I would expect all routing to be done in the cloud so I'd think it would be the same on your phone vs my browser. Still you were getting some different results than I did.
_ You did have your temp set to 20F and I was using 70F but didn't change my working results.
_ I never had the CT planning fail like you were. Only in my TMX.
_ I was always doing the round-trip because your scenario was 'and back again' or the like. That round trip always worked.
_ I've been using ABRP for a pretty long time and up until very recently I was using the original one that you could still use a special URL to access (classic). They took that away ... the new interface is a little diff so this exercise was good to reorient myself.

Overview: I downloaded my examples and did some spreadsheet string/data parsing ('## mi' & '# h ## min') and math to come up with a formula for average MPH. This let me compare charging and drive durations for all 4 of my examples. Also showed my max speed was working as expected.

See that toggle called “reference speed”, set to 100%
That means ABRP caps your speed at any applicable speed limit on the route.

Oh yes, I have used that. In fact, in my Tesla/TMX I use the option to auto-set 9% over the speed limit when I turn on AP/FSD so in ABRP I have it set to 109% for my vehicle ... unless I'm planning tough route (I had a tough one in BC, Canada a couple summers ago!)

In hindsight, I should have realized the interplay of 'max speed' and 'reference speed' as it seems obvious now. I never had a need to force a max speed but interesting example. Of course, I never had a need to *force* a max SOC at a charger(s) either but I used that option when your scenario came up.

Also in my head I thought *all* of TX was 80 mph speed limits but my image at the bottom of this post shows it varies a LOT. If it was all 80 mph then the 'reference speed' would not have mattered. Hey that's my excuse!

Selecting only superchargers+NACS, ABRP gives the failure screen and this advice:

I only have Superchargers turned on currently. I do have a Test ABRP acct and reg ABRP and while testing I saw it threw in a CCS stop. I removed it and it prompted me to never show them. That problem unslected it in my options area. Perhaps it was an initial detail on my relatively new Test ABRP acct.

Trouble is, the above trip is one-way, and your CT is never making it out of Big Bend under its own power.

So odd that my CT examples never failed. BTW, I was testing a new truck tho with 0% battery degradation. Maybe I saw you had 20% or something on yours. Maybe you got a lemon CT battery

Ok fine, now the trip to BB involves an overnight in TL. But on what route planning/travel timing terms?

Clearly, even tho an overnight stay was not required in my examples based on the vehicle making it there and back ... but I thought one would want to spend some time at BB .

If you instead peg to 75mph, you’re back to an overnight in Terlingua, 3 more charges

I'd check into your states lemon laws as you got a sucky CT battery.

Having gone through all the above, the big takeaway is how range anxiety exists at the outer fringe away from fast charging corridors, esp those involving out-and-backs.

And while it’s fringe, Big Bend is the premier national forest in Texas - someone who lives in Austin wants to go there sometime. These scenarios are far from imagined. And while their occurrence is rare, their importance is disproportionate in the judgment of buyers.

After you *making* me to go thru all the above <bahaha>, I absolutely can understand your scenario and use cases. I've roadtripped a lot and have had a few different of those scenarios. A recently one was Yellowstone and the nearby to it Beartooth highway. I had to plan it very well since no charges in Yellowstone however some in West Yellowstone mid-day and at the end of the the date NACS destination chargers at Red Lodge MT after the Beartooth highway.

UPDATE: my Beartooth maps and pictures thread:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thr...est-yellowstone-mt.149922/page-2#post-3845768

 

[Scott Beall]

holy sh+t, you're literally suggesting I use AI ?? I thought that early quip was just a bad attempt at a dig

I think he's saying that you ARE AI. Welcome to the Matrix.

 

[cvalue13]

_ You did have your temp set to 20F and I was using 70F but didn't change my working results.

that was true for first few runs i did, then i realized, set to 80F, and no change in results

Maybe I saw you had 20% or something on yours.

my battery deg is untouched default of 5%



otherwise, unsure why my ARBP if spitting out such materially different conclusions than yours. what, again, is your efficiency assumption setting?

 

[cvalue13]

I think he's saying that you ARE AI. Welcome to the Matrix.

yes, exactly

which means that for a year I've been posting with noone realizing I'm AI

it took one, lone, Wyoming hermit with a keen nose for typing speed to uncover his synthetic overlord


I'd say on average that's passing Turing with flying colors!

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