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I am in the same boat. Got the invite and the FOMO feeling overwhelmed me. Out of millions of pre-orders, here I am getting the invite. How could I not do it? Impulsively pulled out the card and deposited my $1000. Just got the trade in offer for my $70k after taxes and after Tesla rebate of $7500. What was the trade in value for a pristine MY with 12k miles? $36k. My car lost $34k in 13 months.
No I am asking myself if this is insane and the answer keeps coming up as yes. I am being "invited" to pay and extra $20k to be first in line and get the crappiest built testing phase of production and being forced to pay for FSD and other features that aren't worth $20k to me. And this is coming from a company that I honestly just don't trust because of all the broken promises and shady dealings (bought 2 Model Ys last year and had daily harassing texts to make sure I would take delivery in December....why? because two weeks later they knew they were dropping the price by $20k. It felt like Tesla sold me two cars and then came to my house a couple weeks later and bashed them with hammers to destroy their value.)
Barring some change or variable unseen, I think I am going to eat the $1000 and cancel my order. I love Tesla vehicles but the company has been a huge disappointment to me and I feel like owning the Cybertruck will just be endless frustration and feelings of being ripped off when it is sitting in the garage a year from now still waiting for FSD and autopilot to be added.
It is a bummer that companies just don't care at all about customers anymore and it seems like the ones that make the most money off of us care the least.
Congrats to someone out there, you will probably move up in line by one spot soon.
That trade in value for your MY is rough........
If I was in your shoes I would have a tough time paying the premium for FS after the big drop in value on the Y. If the price and range on the CT were a little closer to what was anticipated maybe, but I can understand the position.
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A vehicle is supposed to transport you, been that way since horses.
There are MANY places in this great country that there are 100+ miles between superchargers, and sometimes hundreds between V3 superchargers.
If you want to get out and explore, work, vacation, etc with your vehicle it is not unreasonable to want it to get you there without running out of juice.
The 200ish miles of range on the CT may not do that without careful planning, you, myself, and others will have to consider that when making the final decision to buy or not.
I’m surprised the early settlers with horses weren’t pissed off that they couldn’t travel hundreds of miles without having to setup somewhere for a break. They knew the limitations of their transportation and adjusted accordingly like many EV drivers do. Not everyone wants or needs to drive hundreds of miles at a time. If I’m on vacation going on a trip, that’s the absolute last thing I want to do is be sitting in something for 3-4 hours without a break. You’re right in that you have to decide if that’s a deal breaker for your use case. For many people it’s not.
 

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pristine MY with 12k miles? $36k. My car lost $34k in 13 months.

this is brutal and robbery,

that is why Hertz dumping the EVs, lose value faster than ICE plus Tesla price adjustments. i have been driving Tesla for more than 5 years, but I never experienced good customer service from Tesla or felt as s customer.
Generally speaking, these days customers are just a digital number in the books for corporations to milk money (except Amazon).
This is why my first lease ever was a Tesla M3. I really like it but 3 years and I am out. Hopefully the $25k Tesla will be available to purchase as my daily driver.
 

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I’m surprised the early settlers with horses weren’t pissed off that they couldn’t travel hundreds of miles without having to setup somewhere for a break. They knew the limitations of their transportation and adjusted accordingly like many EV drivers do. Not everyone wants or needs to drive hundreds of miles at a time. If I’m on vacation going on a trip, that’s the absolute last thing I want to do is be sitting in something for 3-4 hours without a break. You’re right in that you have to decide if that’s a deal breaker for your use case. For many people it’s not.
Well the settlers got a free homestead at the end of their journey and the CT currently costs $113k so there is that :)
For many of us we have a commute to work that is 100ish miles, and without charging options at work the CT may not make it to/from work without a charge. Some people work from home, and others have to drive to work, some families take road trips, others stay at a resort. Lots of use cases, just limited numbers with the CT having around 200miles of range.
 

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This is why my first lease ever was a Tesla M3. I really like it but 3 years and I am out. Hopefully the $25k Tesla will be available to purchase as my daily driver.
You can get used Model 3s for 25k now.
 


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That trade in value for your MY is rough........
If I was in your shoes I would have a tough time paying the premium for FS after the big drop in value on the Y. If the price and range on the CT were a little closer to what was anticipated maybe, but I can understand the position.
Yeah, the list of disappointments is huge. Years ago I said I would switch to an EV when they made one with 400 miles of range. Along comes the Cybertruck announcement. Tri-motor range is going to be 500 miles (Model S with 400 miles range came after this). Now that it is out, I am paying twenty thousand dollars more to DOWNGRADE to a dual motor so that I can barely get more range than the 320 miles of range that the Tri-motor gets. And no FSD ready and I am guessing a year (or years) judging from Tesla time-frames. Not even AUTOPILOT is available. Build quality is garbage from what we have seen in the videos. External panels separating from the truck, headliners that the out of spec guy said not to touch because it felt like it was going to fall off, squeaky rear seats, no heated center rear seat, and what ever happened to the exoskeleton? Are we just ignoring that this is now just a bunch of heavy steel panels attached to a unibody? Remember all that talk about moving the structure to the exterior via the "exoskeleton"? I think my mind is pretty much made up about cancelling because I know I can't trust Tesla to be fair or prioritize the customer in any way. Once they have the extra $20k for FS, they will be good to go and actually providing what you are paying for is up to their leisure to decide when to deliver. Right now you are paying for a laser etching that I honestly think is tacky and I wish it wasn't there. I am guessing that FS owners experience is going to be that of a poorly built, poorly performing beta-test model of a truck that will have to be completely updated and reworked a few years from now to ever come close to what was expected. I think FSD will take a year or more and make FS owners angry and impatient and after a year or so, decent Cybertrucks (still with terrible performance but acceptable build quality) will start rolling off the production line. FS buyers will be sitting there in their crooked, creaky, rattling Cybertrucks, cruising down the highway with the motors vibrating and making noise, waiting for FSD and maybe even autopilot to someday be activated. I have uge remorse for buying into the hype and FOMO and I wish I hadn't put the deposit on FS.
 

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Many things going on with the price drops. The Covid time ended, used cars were selling for ridiculous prices. That stopped. EVs are down too. Part of that is the technology factor. People buying EVs want the latest tech. Like the Cybertruck.

So the old stuff like the 3 and the Y will be cheap. It's good for people that need a car though and want a Tesla. Not good for someone that bought in 2021-2022.
 

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Yeah, the list of disappointments is huge. Years ago I said I would switch to an EV when they made one with 400 miles of range. Along comes the Cybertruck announcement. Tri-motor range is going to be 500 miles (Model S with 400 miles range came after this). Now that it is out, I am paying twenty thousand dollars more to DOWNGRADE to a dual motor so that I can barely get more range than the 320 miles of range that the Tri-motor gets. And no FSD ready and I am guessing a year (or years) judging from Tesla time-frames. Not even AUTOPILOT is available. Build quality is garbage from what we have seen in the videos. External panels separating from the truck, headliners that the out of spec guy said not to touch because it felt like it was going to fall off, squeaky rear seats, no heated center rear seat, and what ever happened to the exoskeleton? Are we just ignoring that this is now just a bunch of heavy steel panels attached to a unibody? Remember all that talk about moving the structure to the exterior via the "exoskeleton"? I think my mind is pretty much made up about cancelling because I know I can't trust Tesla to be fair or prioritize the customer in any way. Once they have the extra $20k for FS, they will be good to go and actually providing what you are paying for is up to their leisure to decide when to deliver. Right now you are paying for a laser etching that I honestly think is tacky and I wish it wasn't there. I am guessing that FS owners experience is going to be that of a poorly built, poorly performing beta-test model of a truck that will have to be completely updated and reworked a few years from now to ever come close to what was expected. I think FSD will take a year or more and make FS owners angry and impatient and after a year or so, decent Cybertrucks (still with terrible performance but acceptable build quality) will start rolling off the production line. FS buyers will be sitting there in their crooked, creaky, rattling Cybertrucks, cruising down the highway with the motors vibrating and making noise, waiting for FSD and maybe even autopilot to someday be activated. I have uge remorse for buying into the hype and FOMO and I wish I hadn't put the deposit on FS.
I feel for you and I am in the same boat with my 2023 Lightning and 2022 MY. We purchased in the strangest car market I have seen in my 64 years. No cars on lots, people with money and willing to pay through the nose because resales were netting more then people had paid for them.

I made buying decisions on both those vehicles knowing I was buying at the top of the market. I had hoped when the CT was ready my Lightning would still be a high demand hard to find vehicle. I took a chance and hit the market wrong. Not Ford or Tesla's fault.

I would recommend trying Carmax. They are starting to buy now for tax season. They give inflated prices in Jan/Feb to build inventory ahead of tax season.

I hope they make a much better offer.
 

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If you're going to a destination, there are usually plugs there.
Why don't you use them?
-Crissa
I certainly have in the past BUT it has to be a VERY solid situation in that I know there are several plugs and high probability of it being open. I don't need to add frustration to my adventure.

It really narrows down the places you can stay (at the hotel or very near (which brings up security)).

I've only done that at a couple hotels (Red lodge MT was one example above I used). Or my families dryer plug, welder plug, compressor plug ...

You also have to narrow the options down to NACS, J1772, 14-50 unless you have a new vehicle that has the CCS hardware and you have a CCS adapter.

On adventures ... ESPECIALLY ... with family/friends, I want simplicity and surety.

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https://bollingermotors.com/b1-b2/

You can sign up here. They are taking hopium deposits. Yet one will likely get the dust from that fairy as well.

Sad that the B2 truck was my first choice. Would have paid up to $150k for it. Fits every need I could ever have.
Except range is 110 miles so you would need Impossiiblium to get around.
 

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You also have to narrow the options down to NACS, J1772, 14-50 unless you have a new vehicle that has the CCS hardware and you have a CCS adapter.
I keep a spare charge cable, an appropriately rated "extension cord" and every adapter known to man in the frunk. But I've found in a pinch, just renting a spot at any RV park and camping in the back is a great way to get around rough areas. RV parks are everywhere. I use RV Parky app to find them (can filter by 50amp).
 

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The problem is I'll have to drive the FSCT 588,000 miles to recover the $100k cost
There's a way to recover the entire cost of a vehicle thru driving? Only with electric I guess. Btw average life of an ice car is 200k miles.
 

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Out of Spec also did a nifty "weight vs aerodynamics" test to see which had more effect. Weight had very little effect on range compared to aero.
 

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There's a way to recover the entire cost of a vehicle thru driving? Only with electric I guess. Btw average life of an ice car is 200k miles.
I'm being a little silly. I'll never drive my FSCT 588k miles. I'm 71 years old! You know, half dead!

In almost 6 years I have saved about $10k by not buying gasoline for the Mini Cooper I sold to buy the Model 3. That doesn't pay for the Tesla. I have extra solar so that helps.
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