I know I saw it under construction on one of my trips to the store just past the building in the distance. I feel like it was the last 12 months, but I wasn't exactly taking notes at the time.
Thanks for the great location info. No wonder the property owners put up a sturdy fence.
Very compelling detective work!So I know exactly where this happened, and feel absolutely confident that this was driver error. I say this because I can count at least a dozen other times I've seen this exact same crash at this exact same spot. I also imagine that the fence was added by SMUD in the last year because I've also seen cars go over the little grassy hill twice and take out employee cars parked in the lot when they don't hit the pole prior to the fence being built.
The OP was coming over an offramp from the freeway and making a left. The light for the left isn't immediately visible when one comes off the freeway as there's a curve and a climb. Constantly, people try to shoot the light here when they see it is changing at the last second. But the ramp and the road don't meet at 90 degrees, meaning the turn is much tighter than most. And like all the roads around here, this intersection is long overdue for a repaving, meaning it is pretty slick.
The OP came off the freeway, saw the changing light late, goosed the go peddle to not miss the light, then hit the brakes late into the turn, after traction was already broken, forcing the ABS to try to do whatever it could, which given the weight and the non-standard turn angle, was not much.
For those asking about a diagram:
Incase anyone doubts I got the right intersection, note the building down the street:
It's nearly a 7000 lb truck, off angle, on all terrain tires, going over the rise of the central intersection on very old asphalt. It was never going to make the turn successfully at any speed above 20 mph or so. Depending on the entry speed of the truck, there might have been some limit to the steering angle too, thanks to the variable ratio. But without OP admitting to the actual speed he crossed in to the intersection at, we can never know that particular point with certainty. But being as this crash is common at this location, it's not at all surprising that a CT would have the same problem as every other vehicle pushed too fast into this corner.
Yeah I wouldn’t be able to see these lights going at speed (from freeway or gunning a light) that well either, then make a (corrected) ~70 degree left turn. Would make sense.
We think we have another plausible explanation, so now we have at least 3 possibilities. Hopefully original poster will shed some light on it.
If he doesn't respond it's because Tesla proved the vehicle did not malfunction the way he claimed, OR there is pending legal action and lawyers told him to shut up and stop talking about it.
Yes this was the location, but I wasn’t trying to catch the light, it was green. I let go of the accelerator way before the light.So I know exactly where this happened, and feel absolutely confident that this was driver error. I say this because I can count at least a dozen other times I've seen this exact same crash at this exact same spot. I also imagine that the fence was added by SMUD in the last year because I've also seen cars go over the little grassy hill twice and take out employee cars parked in the lot when they don't hit the pole prior to the fence being built.
The OP was coming over an offramp from the freeway and making a left. The light for the left isn't immediately visible when one comes off the freeway as there's a curve and a climb. Constantly, people try to shoot the light here when they see it is changing at the last second. But the ramp and the road don't meet at 90 degrees, meaning the turn is much tighter than most. And like all the roads around here, this intersection is long overdue for a repaving, meaning it is pretty slick.
The OP came off the freeway, saw the changing light late, goosed the go peddle to not miss the light, then hit the brakes late into the turn, after traction was already broken, forcing the ABS to try to do whatever it could, which given the weight and the non-standard turn angle, was not much.
For those asking about a diagram:
Incase anyone doubts I got the right intersection, note the building down the street:
It's nearly a 7000 lb truck, off angle, on all terrain tires, going over the rise of the central intersection on very old asphalt. It was never going to make the turn successfully at any speed above 20 mph or so. Depending on the entry speed of the truck, there might have been some limit to the steering angle too, thanks to the variable ratio. But without OP admitting to the actual speed he crossed in to the intersection at, we can never know that particular point with certainty. But being as this crash is common at this location, it's not at all surprising that a CT would have the same problem as every other vehicle pushed too fast into this corner.
Yeah this would make sense, if the accelerator pedal lubricant is a problem and the accelerator stays stuck down when you let off that would explain why the OP said the truck wouldn't break cuz it could have still been accelerating after he lifted off the pedal.
Some almost did.....
Yes, this aligns well with what I said was the most likely explanation, excessive speed combined with a slippery intersection causing a loss of traction. We all know that when the tires have reached the limit of traction due to cornering forces that braking is not possible, the anti-lock brakes prevent further braking. The "delayed braking" is explained by this. Once the tires find traction, due to speed having been scrubbed off, braking could resume, but too late.So I know exactly where this happened, and feel absolutely confident that this was driver error. I say this because I can count at least a dozen other times I've seen this exact same crash at this exact same spot. I also imagine that the fence was added by SMUD in the last year because I've also seen cars go over the little grassy hill twice and take out employee cars parked in the lot when they don't hit the pole prior to the fence being built.
The OP was coming over an offramp from the freeway and making a left. The light for the left isn't immediately visible when one comes off the freeway as there's a curve and a climb. Constantly, people try to shoot the light here when they see it is changing at the last second. But the ramp and the road don't meet at 90 degrees, meaning the turn is much tighter than most. And like all the roads around here, this intersection is long overdue for a repaving, meaning it is pretty slick.
The OP came off the freeway, saw the changing light late, goosed the go peddle to not miss the light, then hit the brakes late into the turn, after traction was already broken, forcing the ABS to try to do whatever it could, which given the weight and the non-standard turn angle, was not much.
For those asking about a diagram:
Incase anyone doubts I got the right intersection, note the building down the street:
It's nearly a 7000 lb truck, off angle, on all terrain tires, going over the rise of the central intersection on very old asphalt. It was never going to make the turn successfully at any speed above 20 mph or so. Depending on the entry speed of the truck, there might have been some limit to the steering angle too, thanks to the variable ratio. But without OP admitting to the actual speed he crossed in to the intersection at, we can never know that particular point with certainty. But being as this crash is common at this location, it's not at all surprising that a CT would have the same problem as every other vehicle pushed too fast into this corner.
