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500 Miles on my Cyber Truck. 400 of them towing a car. Do I need a weight distribution hitch?

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10% of the trailer's weight should be on the hitch.
That's a rule of thumb I've heard for the last 40 years. It's generally a reasonable balance. But every tow rig/trailer setup is different and a rule of thimb will only take you so far, especially as you start to approach the tow limits of the tow vehicle/trailer.

In Europe people use much smaller, lighter tow vehicles than we do in N. America. They don't take things as lax as N. Americans tend to. But they do run much lighter tongue weights (around 7% of the trailer weight) and many countries ban the use of weight distributing hitches for safety reasons. When your tow ball is close to the rear axle, you have most of the battle won. Because the trailer doesn't have the leverage advantage on the tow vehicle. The Cybertruck is better in this regard than my F-150. The other huge advantage it has is chassis stiffness.

Europeans also tend to have less play in their receivers, which is a huge advantage. I'm often shocked at how loose of a fit some ball mounts are into some receivers here in N. America. The dimensional tolerances are all over the board. This is what can create an unsettling clanking between the trailer and the tow rig, and contributes to trailer sway incidents. Always buy high quality tow ball mounts, this is no place to price shop, there is a lot of real crap on the American market. Sure, it's probably not going to break if you stay within its weight rating, but there is a lot more to controlling a big trailer than whether your ball mount broke or not! There are even ball mount solutions that eliminate the play beween the mount and the receiver. Not only are they quieter and more relaxing, they are less likely to contribute to trailer sway.

I'm going to mention tire pressures again because I rarely see anyone mention this and it's critical to reducing the tendency of the trailer to sway. Do not err on the side of under-inflating your tires, especially on the trailer tires. The air pressure is what supports the load! It also gives structure to the tire. The Cybertruck AT tires should be aired up to 65 psi. This also reduces the tendency towards trailer sway.

Really, the Cybertruck has so much going for it in terms of towing dynamics, it's going to be the last truck in it's class that is crying out for a weight distributing hitch, assuming you balance the tongue weight properly. With good equipment, good tires, and a stiff trailer with proper wheel alignment, you may find that if you go below the 10% tongue weight rule of thumb you might end up with a safer solution than if you rigidly adhere to the 10% rule of thumb. But people like to parrot this number because they want to contribute to the conversation. It's an easy to remember rule of thumb and it makes you sound like you know what you are talking about. But it's also true that additional tongue weight can cover up other deficiencies (even if it introduces deficiencies of its own). A lot of tongue weight is not a good way to cure inherent problems.

The closer you tow near the rated limits, the more critical tongue weight becomes. If you are far below the rated limits you can run crappy equipment and add tongue weight as a safety measure but if you are pushing close to the rated limits you need good equipment and need to ensure you don't have excessive tongue weight (because higher tongue weight reduces steering control).

In the end you should be completely comfortable with the driving dynamics of what you are towing, and you shouldn't rely on general rules of thumb for your safety. Practice avoidance maneuvers in a safe environment. Change the ball height or weight balance and re-test. I've towed a huge combination of trailers and tow rigs, mostly work related, owned by others or borrowed, some were great and some let you know that it was a suboptimal solution. You can tell by the way the two work together as you drive them. They can be very sensitive to small changes in the height of the tow ball and the load balance of the weight in the trailer. Car haulers and cargo trailers in particular can go awry quickly simply because the placement of the load is always changing. Never become lax about load placement.

Even a poorly setup trailer can be relatively safe at slow speeds but I don't think you have to be an expert to know something is not right. Cheap trailer tires are the bane of towing near the limit. I know many would like to think thier safety is well regulated by the government and that manufacturers wouldn't put crappy trailer tires out there, but that's exactly what happens when you price shop. You get crappy trailer tires and it matters.

There is too much at risk to ignore obvious warning signs that your combination is unstable. It should feel solid and secure. Problems tend to happen as speeds increase. So, if it feels solid and secure during a high-speed test run, you will probably not have a problem going 15 mph slower. If you notice problems as speeds increase, don't just drive slower, stop and fix the problem.
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If you are towing, ALL vehicles axle weights should be more, especially when towing 10,000 lbs.
That's just crazy talk. It's well understood that towing, biases the vehicles weight balance to the rear. The front axle is going to get lighter without a WD hitch. The trick is to keep it in the safe range, there's no way to tow (with a conventional tow ball and non-WD hitch) without significantly reducing the front axle weight. This is acceptable as long as the front/rear weight balance does not fall outside the acceptable limits.
 

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Bumping/reopening this thread - and noting that a weight distributing hitch puts the ball at 11 3/4" - 12" behind the hitch pin.

While Tesla has still not released any information on using weight distributing hitches, they are quite clear that the maximum 1,100 pound tongue weight only applies with 7.3" between hitch pin and center of the hitch ball. This seems to preclude using any weight distributing hitch system, because increasing that distance from 7.3" to 12" massively increases leverage, and reduces hitch weight ratings accordingly. I have no idea how much this is, but using crude math, would seem to reduce the acceptable tongue weight to below 500 lbs with weight distribution hitches.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en_us/GUID-EBDD7BD9-8942-45CA-8E0D-26B48185DEB9.html

I have a 9,500-pound 12-foot-high boat/trailer rig that is set up with weight distribution to comply with an F-150's tongue weight limits (500 pounds without and 1,250 with weight distribution).

Should I assume that the Tesla tech is so superior that I can drop 950 pounds of tongue weight on my Weigh-Safe hitch ball that's centered 8.5 inches behind the hitch pin, and forget about weight distribution? The system also has electric-over-hydraulic brakes on both trailer axles, with battery assist, as specified by Tesla.
 

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Bumping/reopening this thread - and noting that a weight distributing hitch puts the ball at 11 3/4" - 12" behind the hitch pin.

While Tesla has still not released any information on using weight distributing hitches, they are quite clear that the maximum 1,100 pound tongue weight only applies with 7.3" between hitch pin and center of the hitch ball. This seems to preclude using any weight distributing hitch system, because increasing that distance from 7.3" to 12" massively increases leverage, and reduces hitch weight ratings accordingly. I have no idea how much this is, but using crude math, would seem to reduce the acceptable tongue weight to below 500 lbs with weight distribution hitches.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en_us/GUID-EBDD7BD9-8942-45CA-8E0D-26B48185DEB9.html

I have a 9,500-pound 12-foot-high boat/trailer rig that is set up with weight distribution to comply with an F-150's tongue weight limits (500 pounds without and 1,250 with weight distribution).

Should I assume that the Tesla tech is so superior that I can drop 950 pounds of tongue weight on my Weigh-Safe hitch ball that's centered 8.5 inches behind the hitch pin, and forget about weight distribution? The system also has electric-over-hydraulic brakes on both trailer axles, with battery assist, as specified by Tesla.
The 7.3 inches is only to the pin, the actual fulcrum is further forward.
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https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...failure-10-400-lbs-vertical-load.37748/page-6
 


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Correct, but that is still Tesla's standard for achieving 1,100 tongue weight. At 8.5", there's a different correct number. And using a weight distribution hitch, at 12" out from pin, even lower rating.
Yeah, and I'm not really a fan of their updated cargo load calc.
A WD hitch has torque in the opposite direction of a standard hitch. If one really dialed it in, they could get zero torque (when stationary, at least)
 

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I used to.

Now I trust it's levelling system.
 

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Leveling doesn't impact the axle loading (unloading in the case of the front)
Maybe a better way of saying is that is that's not the purpose of balancing the truck?

When it is trying to level the truck it is putting more pressure on the rear axle by stiffening the suspension. Sure, the truck's center of weight moves forward, but not enough forward to where you want it to be. For it to do that, you'd need to cheetah stance the truck and even then the weight shifting of the truck itself is minimal compared to the load that's possible to apply to the hitch.

You could put lead weights in the frunk, too, since that's part of the reason an F450 can tow more, but also that doesn't increase the actual strength, even if it balances the truck's load. The trailer load matters, too.

The more I learn about towing, the more I don't want to do it ever!

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Maybe a better way of saying is that is that's not the purpose of balancing the truck?

When it is trying to level the truck it is putting more pressure on the rear axle by stiffening the suspension. Sure, the truck's center of weight moves forward, but not enough forward to where you want it to be. For it to do that, you'd need to cheetah stance the truck and even then the weight shifting of the truck itself is minimal compared to the load that's possible to apply to the hitch.

You could put lead weights in the frunk, too, since that's part of the reason an F450 can tow more, but also that doesn't increase the actual strength, even if it balances the truck's load. The trailer load matters, too.

The more I learn about towing, the more I don't want to do it ever!

-Crissa
For Cybertruck with air suspension more weight compresses the air until the pressure matches the load. Leveling just adds more air at that pressure to raise the axle. Force on axle/ tire remains the same along withthe truck's center of gravity (ignoring the very small amount of mass that pivots from aft to fore over the axle due to the angle).

For visualization, a vehicle with solid suspension would sit level regardless of tongue weight, until the front axle left the ground.

A weight distribution hitch uses torque to lift some of the weight from the rear axle, shifting it to the trailer and front axles. Instead of the trailer ball being a pure pivot, the hitch system becomes a stiff spring with preload.

Weight in the frunk would act to restore the front axle load. ~350 pounds cancels the unload from 1,100 pounds of tongue weight. It doesn't reduce the rear axle load though, which is likely where a CT with range extender will run into its limits (esp on tri-motor)
 

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For Cybertruck with air suspension more weight compresses the air until the pressure matches the load. Leveling just adds more air at that pressure to raise the axle. Force on axle/ tire remains the same along withthe truck's center of gravity (ignoring the very small amount of mass that pivots from aft to fore over the axle due to the angle).
Right, it's ignoring that little bit of weight shifting that probably throwing people. If you change the heights of the suspension without the trailer, you do actually move the center of mass.

But the truck's mass shifting from tilting is basically nothing in comparison to the weight of a trailer pushing on the hitch, let alone the leverage of that weight being outside the envelope of the wheelbase.

Which I think is why people don't get the explanation; it's a spherical cow, and cows aren't spherical to any random person.

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If you need to unhook your trailer at a supercharger, weight distribution hitches can be an extra pain. Especially if you are towing a distance and unhooking several times
 

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If you need to unhook your trailer at a supercharger, weight distribution hitches can be an extra pain. Especially if you are towing a distance and unhooking several times
If this is one's use case, I recommend checking out the B&W Continuum WD hitch. Much faster and easier than dealing with typical bar type.
Doesn't fit on trailers with a center frame rail though...
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