Tones of V4 Supercharger Working In Progress

[HaulingAss]

Fast charging will wreck your battery, and cost well over double home charging.

Fast DC charging does not wreck your battery.

There are Tesla with the original battery and over 350,000 miles that were primarily Supercharged. The Battery Management System adjusts charging speed based upon many factors including battery temperature so, at worst, Supercharging may have a tiny incremental increase in battery degradation, nothing anyone would even notice or care about. It's insignificant.

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[Woodrick]

You’re lucky to live so close to the new V4s. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for some TX or Dallas locations.

PowerShare is a nice alternative to using generators if you’re interested in that capability as since you have access to it as a FS owner.

But a lot of home charging decisions may come down to your daily driven miles and your charging frequency. If you don’t drive as much, and is fine with a slow standard wall plug charge, you may be fine.

There's a "newer than V3" at 1111 Eastchase Pkwy, Fort Worth, TX 76120

V4 AFAIK, isn't a well defined name. There seems to be one version that is a solid pedestal and another with a cut-out on the side.

For a Tesla owner, there's absolutely no difference between a V3 and V4. Bot are 250kW stations.


















Fort Worth, TX - Eastchase Parkway
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[Woodrick]

Given that the Cybertruck uses a different version of the Mobile Connector which supports Powershare/ V2L, it may continue being included.
Or Tesla transitions to only making the new version?

AFAIK, Incorrect. It's the same as the other vehicles. There is no special circuit needed to support the NEMA 14-50 to charge from.

The wall connector is different. It does provide additional signaling.

 

[Woodrick]

40A gets you 9.6 kW.
Powershare can pump out 11.5kW / 48A
It might be that the MC only supports 32A but combined with the bed outlets, you can get 48A total. Or use it like a 32A extension cord.

AFAIK, the NACs connector is two-way supporting outlet, supporting the full 11.5 kW / 48A flow.

The Cargo Bed and Cabin outlets provide

1. 120V power outlets (20A maximum draw, combined)
2. 240V power outlet (40A maximum draw, combined)

The 120V power outlets provide a maximum of 20A across both cargo bed outlets. This is independent from the 120V outlets in the cabin which also provide a maximum of 20A across both cabin outlets (see Interior Power Outlets). It is possible to pull 20A from the cabin and 20A from the cargo bed at the same time. All AC power outlets combined (120V cabin, 120V cargo bed, and the 240V cargo bed outlet) are limited to a combined maximum of 40A. If multiple devices are plugged in and drawing power at the same time, power to each device may be reduced or interrupted.

The Mobile Connector that came with the vehicle is a standard Mobile connector.
The Powershare connector is the wall connector supporting bi-directional transfer.

 

[Woodrick]

Fast charging will wreck your battery, and cost well over double home charging.

Fast Charging will NOT impact your battery. Sure it costs more, depending on your location.

 

[mongo]

AFAIK, Incorrect. It's the same as the other vehicles. There is no special circuit needed to support the NEMA 14-50 to charge from.

The wall connector is different. It does provide additional signaling.

I'm talking about powering loads, not charging and not powering a house.

AFAIK, the NACs connector is two-way supporting outlet, supporting the full 11.5 kW / 48A flow.

The Cargo Bed and Cabin outlets provide

1. 120V power outlets (20A maximum draw, combined)
2. 240V power outlet (40A maximum draw, combined)

The 120V power outlets provide a maximum of 20A across both cargo bed outlets. This is independent from the 120V outlets in the cabin which also provide a maximum of 20A across both cabin outlets (see Interior Power Outlets). It is possible to pull 20A from the cabin and 20A from the cargo bed at the same time. All AC power outlets combined (120V cabin, 120V cargo bed, and the 240V cargo bed outlet) are limited to a combined maximum of 40A. If multiple devices are plugged in and drawing power at the same time, power to each device may be reduced or interrupted.

The Mobile Connector that came with the vehicle is a standard Mobile connector.
The Powershare connector is the wall connector supporting bi-directional transfer.

Not standard, the Model name includes V2L indicating it is a Powershare Mobile Connector that can also source power with an outlet adapter as opposed to just sinking power, aka charging, with a plug adapter.

 

[Woodrick]

I’d say that a single 15 amp plug is not enough for most people even for a single Tesla/EV. You are the exception to the rule. I’d not give people that stat as it is misleading on what the normal person will need for charging.

You may think so, but you are incorrect. On a Model 3 and Model Y, a 120V 15A plug will add 60 miles in 12 hours, this is well above the average American commute.

Just to put a little math behind my numbers, 15,000 miles it a quite average yearly commute.
There are 250 or so work days in a year. 250 days * 60 miles/day = 15,000 miles.

Sure there are weekends, but if you add miles on the weekend, you have to subtract them from the daily commute to keep the 15,000 miles/year average.

There are a LOT of people who charge Teslas this way.

 

[Woodrick]

Fully agree with this. My commute is 14 miles round trip. Plus if I went somewhere for lunch or dinner that added another 5 miles. And in the winter in my model y, I could not keep up with 120v. Preheating the car plus driving with the climate on would consume enough range that I couldn't make up for it in 10 hours on 120v.

120v is not reasonable because if you do anything beyond the absolute shortest of commutes, it cannot replenish what you use in cold temps.

"But it worked for me". Cool, you are the exception.

Do you park your vehicle outside or in a garage?

If outside, indeed, it may not be quite enough. But if inside, it's well more than you need.

And during the spring, summer, and fall, heck, you may need no more than once or twice a week.

Remember, 60 miles in 12 hours


NOTE: This is for a Model 3 or Model Y, the Cybertruck does have less efficiency and only gets arounf 30-40 miles in 12 hours.

 

[agordon117]

Do you park your vehicle outside or in a garage?

If outside, indeed, it may not be quite enough. But if inside, it's well more than you need.

And during the spring, summer, and fall, heck, you may need no more than once or twice a week.

Remember, 60 miles in 12 hours


NOTE: This is for a Model 3 or Model Y, the Cybertruck does have less efficiency and only gets arounf 30-40 miles in 12 hours.

At home the garage is heated but only to about 55F. At work it's outside as you'd expect.

It was not more than I needed.

 

[Woodrick]

At home the garage is heated but only to about 55F. At work it's outside as you'd expect.

It was not more than I needed.

Oh, that's pretty much the same as my garage in the winter.

Outside does take a hit, but since it appears you only use about 1/3 of what the outlet provides, you should be great!

What's the number of miles that you have to add daily in the winter?

 

[AlmostHuman]

You may think so, but you are incorrect. On a Model 3 and Model Y, a 120V 15A plug will add 60 miles in 12 hours, this is well above the average American commute.

Just to put a little math behind my numbers, 15,000 miles it a quite average yearly commute.
There are 250 or so work days in a year. 250 days * 60 miles/day = 15,000 miles.

Sure there are weekends, but if you add miles on the weekend, you have to subtract them from the daily commute to keep the 15,000 miles/year average.

There are a LOT of people who charge Teslas this way.

Fair point and yeah the math is valid. In my head the 120V 15 amp adding 60 miles in 12 hours leaves basically zero room for using the vehicle outside of going to work.

You make a great point about the efficiency of rides like the Cybertruck or Model X when charging. I only have experience with the X and now Cybertruck.

Not saying it doesn’t work for you and doesn’t work for a lot of people. Not trying to argue either.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

I’d say that a single 15 amp plug is not enough for most people even for a single Tesla/EV. You are the exception to the rule. I’d not give people that stat as it is misleading on what the normal person will need for charging.

100%! I have used the L1 120v charging for 3 weeks. It’s pure misery. It takes like 3 days to get 20% increase. I had an electrician come today and drop in a 14/50 and it’s wonderful going from 12A to 32A. Now it’s crazy fast.

I’m waiting for Tesla to get me my damned Universal charger so I can swap out the 14/50 and get the full 48A.

Does anyone know if Tesla is shipping those to us or is it going to be part of the $2500 certificate deal?

 

[mongo]

100%! I have used the L1 120v charging for 3 weeks. It’s pure misery. It takes like 3 days to get 20% increase. I had an electrician come today and drop in a 14/50 and it’s wonderful going from 12A to 32A. Now it’s crazy fast.

I’m waiting for Tesla to get me my damned Universal charger so I can swap out the 14/50 and get the full 48A.

Does anyone know if Tesla is shipping those to us or is it going to be part of the $2500 certificate deal?

Not just 12A to 32A, 12A @x120V (1.44kW) to 32A @ 240V (7.68kW) !
That's like 64A @ 120V.
Even better, the base power consumption of having the vehicle on doesn't change, so that fixed loss doesn't scale up. Say it's 300W, then gross charging power goes from 1.14kW to 7.38kW, a 6.5x increase.

UWC is part of the $2,500 credit. Either Powershare installer orders it, or you do with your single purchase. An extra 50% boost would be nice, 32A is right around 10 minutes per percent SOC.

Did the installer wire up your 14-50 with 6AWG THHN for the UWC upgrade? The 14-50 itself only needs 8 gauge.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

Not just 12A to 32A, 12A @x120V (1.44kW) to 32A @ 240V (7.68kW) !
That's like 64A @ 120V.
Even better, the base power consumption of having the vehicle on doesn't change, so that fixed loss doesn't scale up. Say it's 300W, then gross charging power goes from 1.14kW to 7.38kW, a 6.5x increase.

UWC is part of the $2,500 credit. Either Powershare installer orders it, or you do with your single purchase. An extra 50% boost would be nice, 32A is right around 10 minutes per percent SOC.

Did the installer wire up your 14-50 with 6AWG THHN for the UWC upgrade? The 14-50 itself only needs 8 gauge.

Yep… it’s showing 8kw. It’s great!

Yep, installer dropped in 6g wire as I Told him I was gonna swap it. I even had him drop a 60A breaker for it too in preparation.

Thanks for the info on that $2500 credit. That helps.

 

[Woodrick]

Fair point and yeah the math is valid. In my head the 120V 15 amp adding 60 miles in 12 hours leaves basically zero room for using the vehicle outside of going to work.

You make a great point about the efficiency of rides like the Cybertruck or Model X when charging. I only have experience with the X and now Cybertruck.

Not saying it doesn’t work for you and doesn’t work for a lot of people. Not trying to argue either.

And for those days that you use a more than you can charge, that doesn't mean the world is going to end. You have other days that can make up for it or just drop by any other chargers for a few minutes to add what's needed.

It's quite okay to use a combination of charging solutions.

My points about charging at 120V 15A is important, because some people may not have any other options. There are people that would have to pay over $10k to have their panel and service expanded for a larger service panel. It's not worth it when they may be able to live happily on a single 120V 15A plug (without other things like garage refrigerators plugged into it).

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