Promised range of 500 miles ?

[ABILISK]

You focused on towing but there are other aspects that I mentioned above that were ignored like how they work in the cold (reduced 30+%) or when used in a V2H (emergency, etc), or V2L (worksites, farms, etc).

How many %s do gas trucks lose in the cold? I’m in TX (in case you aren’t familiar, it’s hot here. It was 70 yesterday, 12/16) and don’t tow much so I’m not familiar with either of those things. And no clue what your point is on those other things. Like, emergency? This would be awesome cuz it hauls some serious ass. Worksites and farms? What about them? Seems like mild work for any truck with a decent payload capacity.

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[Jack27]

People like to use that “promised” word and hold Tesla to EXACT quoted predictions from 5 years ago. It was an unveil event, people. They missed the range a bit, inflation happened and it costs more, it’s not a 6 seater, it doesn’t have door handles, etc. Elon was showing it off, building hype, and giving us best guesses, not promises.

They actually under estimated the performance so that’s pretty sweet.

Right? All auto makers do the same thing at auto shows with projections and concept cars but they don’t hold them to every single word. Cool he thought he could put something out for cheaper then he couldn’t. O well. Blame the economy not him. The fact he delivered this truck to market most said would never be is an accomplishment in itself. but people mad still they thought they were getting it for 40k ?. There damn Honda Civic with a CD player costs more than 40k!! ?

 

[ABILISK]

Right? All auto makers do the same thing at auto shows with projections and concept cars but they don’t hold them to every single word. Cool he thought he could put something out for cheaper then he couldn’t. O well. Blame the economy not him. The fact he delivered this truck to market no one said would ever be is an accomplishment in itself. but people mad still they thought they were getting it for 40k ?. There damn Honda Civic with a CD player costs more than 40k!! ?

For real. Think back to last year when the delivery event was finally announced. If anyone at that time seriously expected to see a $40K CT on Tesla’s website on 11/30/2023 they were delusional.

 

[ABILISK]

Here’s the bottom line about the range: EVs are a paradigm shift. They aren’t gas cars (thank goodness), they need to charge often, and there are solutions for that just about everywhere right now.

Remember when we (literally) all moved from Nokias/flip phones that we charged once a week to iPhones/Androids that we charge daily if not 2/3 times daily? We changed where and how often we fueled up our phones. Would you go back? Not a chance.

Same with cars. Charging already is plentiful and will be more so in years to come.

 

[scottf200]

How many %s do gas trucks lose in the cold? I’m in TX (in case you aren’t familiar, it’s hot here. It was 70 yesterday, 12/16) and don’t tow much so I’m not familiar with either of those things. And no clue what your point is on those other things. Like, emergency? This would be awesome cuz it hauls some serious ass. Worksites and farms? What about them? Seems like mild work for any truck with a decent payload capacity.

Trucks are sold in many areas of the USA and Canada. Winter colder weather is real in many of them and effects range.

Range fairly closely tied to kWh. Since you are not familiar with V2H and V2L I can see why you are missing my points. No big deal as you are mainly looking for performance it seems.

I understand range as I have well over 100K in roadtripping EVs.

 

[Kaz109]

You focused on towing but there are other aspects that I mentioned above that were ignored like how they work in the cold (reduced 30+%) or when used in a V2H (emergency, etc), or V2L (worksites, farms, etc).

I focused on what the majority of truck owners prioritize. Sorry, but the reality is what you are listing less than 1% of potential CT buyers prioritize. V2H? Really? That’s what’s high on your list? I don’t mean that in a negative way man so please don’t take it as such I am just saying in the big picture the other thinks you mentioned pale in comparison to performance, off roading, towing and hauling.

Also you have to look at it from this perspective, simply based on the CT design it cuts the potential buyers market in half now out of that half what would the potential buyers value more? I assure you it is performance over V2H or V2L.

 

[dalton108]

People like to use that “promised” word and hold Tesla to EXACT quoted predictions from 5 years ago. It was an unveil event, people. They missed the range a bit, inflation happened and it costs more, it’s not a 6 seater, it doesn’t have door handles, etc. Elon was showing it off, building hype, and giving us best guesses, not promises.

They actually under estimated the performance so that’s pretty sweet.

Here’s where you guys lose me with this apologist fanboy bullshit. People like to use the word “promised” because that’s the word in English that describes what you’ve done when you get up on a stage and tell ppl that you’re going to do “X, Y and Z.”

Nobody forced Elon to do that. Stop making excuses. “Everybody does it,” are you guys fucking kidding me right now? Is that what Tesla is? A company that does what everybody else does?

Really? That’s your position?

Elon made a promise that he didn’t keep (not the first time and it damn sure won’t be the last), life will go on.

It’s embarrassing to see you guys do this pretzel logic dance when it’s unnecessary.

He said he was going to deliver 500 miles. Zero caveats! He got roars and cheers from the audience and soaked it up. It didn’t happen. Lumps are due for that. He can take it.

Good Lord! ?

There is categorically a need for 500 miles in EV’s no matter what people who want to sell you a 300 mile car today are saying. They don’t need you guys to silence other people who know exactly how many freaking miles they need from their car since you’re gonna lose half of it minimum when you’re towing.

 

[scottf200]

V2H? Really? That’s what’s high on your list? I don’t mean that in a negative way man

Many people were without power during Helene in several states. Just one example of a scenario so don't focus on that.

Several companies including these 3 recognize it and promote it.
* Tesla has promoted V2H and designed a system around it for the Cybertruck. Various threads on it here and on other forums. Tesla has dedicated web pages on it.
* Ford has a V2H system on some of their ICE and Lightening EVs. Many examples in TX and other states of its usage.
* Chevrolet promotes V2H as well with other Silverado EV and more.

 

[ABILISK]

Here’s where you guys lose me with this apologist fanboy bullshit. People like to use the word “promised” because that’s the word in English that describes what you’ve done when you get up on a stage and tell ppl that you’re going to do “X, Y and Z.”

Nobody forced Elon to do that. Stop making excuses. “Everybody does it,” are you guys fucking kidding me right now? Is that what Tesla is? A company that does what everybody else does?

Really? That’s your position?

Elon made a promise that he didn’t keep (not the first time and it damn sure won’t be the last) life will go on.

It’s embarrassing to see you guys do this pretzel logic dance when it’s unnecessary.

He said he was going to deliver 500 miles. Zero caveats! He got roars and cheers from the audience and soaked it up. It didn’t happen. Lumps are due for that. He can take it.

Good Lord! ?

There is categorically a need for 500 miles in EV’s no matter what people who want to sell you a 300 mile car today are saying. They don’t need you guys to silence other people who know exactly how many freaking miles they need from their car since you’re gonna lose half of it minimum when you’re towing.

Someone with 4 Teslas is surprised they didn’t meet their unveil stats? I was mostly letting first time buyers know about inflation and Elon’s “pathological optimism” as he likes to call it, but you, a Tesla veteran, have your panties in a wad when they miss their unveil event numbers 5 years later?

He still delivered the greatest vehicle ever made with decent range and outstanding performance. I’m not upset with him in the slightest.

 

[Kaz109]

Many people were without power during Helene in several states. Just one example of a scenario so don't focus on that.

Several companies including these 3 recognize it and promote it.
* Tesla has promoted V2H and designed a system around it for the Cybertruck. Various threads on it here and on other forums. Tesla has dedicated web pages on it.
* Ford has a V2H system on some of their ICE and Lightening EVs. Many examples in TX and other states of its usage.
* Chevrolet promotes V2H as well with other Silverado EV and more.

Again… I understand what you are saying and I’m not saying it is not valid, I am saying it is not the MAJOR selling point to the majority of the buyers.

The majority of ppl are going to ask and/or promote the 0-60 time not the fact that in case there is a hurricane you can power your home.

Sorry man that is reality.

 

[dalton108]

Someone with 4 Teslas is surprised they didn’t meet their unveil stats? I was mostly letting first time buyers know about inflation and Elon’s “pathological optimism” as he likes to call it, but you, a Tesla veteran, have your panties in a wad when they miss their unveil event numbers 5 years later?

He still delivered the greatest vehicle ever made with decent range and outstanding performance. I’m not upset with him in the slightest.

I pre-ordered my cyberbeast based on the specs that were offered during the unveil. I bought it despite its shortcomings, I’m not going to pretend that they don’t exist. At no point did I suggest or claim surprise.

What I did do is to accept things as they are. X was promised; and X was not delivered. Those are facts. Plain and simple.

I’m not going to pretend that words don’t mean what they mean for any reason and be-clown myself to >>carry someone else’s water for them.<<

I don’t think you should either.

Do as you like, but I’m gonna say exactly what I think whenever I choose to.

BTW: Our 1st Gen Model Y (which was pre-ordered before production right after its unveiling) delivered on every promise made. This was also true of my 2nd Gen M3P, and my S Plaid.

The 500 mile range miss was substantial, pretending like it wasn’t does no one any good.

 

[ABILISK]

I pre-ordered my cyberbeast based on the specs that were offered during the unveil. I bought it despite its shortcomings, I’m not going to pretend that they don’t exist. At no point did I suggest or claim surprise.

What I did do is to accept things as they are. X was promised; and X was not delivered. Those are facts. Plain and simple.

I’m not going to pretend that words don’t mean what they mean for any reason and be-clown myself to >>carry someone else’s water for them.<<

I don’t think you should either.

Do as you like, but I’m gonna say exactly what I think whenever I choose to.

Roadster was re-unveiled in 2017. Elon gave the prototype’s stats for range, top speed, 0-60 time, 0-100 time, torque, 1/4 mile time, etc.

8 years (or more) later, it might be different when it finally comes out. We’ve already seen updated pictures of it and the design has changed quite a bit. The 0-60 might be <1s when he unveiled a 1.9. The thing might be able to fly. We don’t know what it’ll end up being yet.

If it gets released next year with a range of 500-550, you gonna whine about how he didn’t meet his promises again?

 

[dalton108]

Roadster was re-unveiled in 2017. Elon gave the prototype’s stats for range, top speed, 0-60 time, 0-100 time, torque, 1/4 mile time, etc.

8 years (or more) later, it might be different when it finally comes out. We’ve already seen updated pictures of it and the design has changed quite a bit. The 0-60 might be <1s when he unveiled a 1.9. The thing might be able to fly. We don’t know what it’ll end up being yet.

If it gets released next year with a range of 500-550, you gonna whine about how he didn’t meet his promises again?

You can say that I’m “whining” about something all you want to, but that doesn’t make it so.

You’ll simply have to deal with the exact words that I said if you want to. But this game? I don’t do that.

 

[HaulingAss]

I bought the Dual Motor Cybertruck.

Tesla overdelivered on range by 14%.
They gave me the high ratio steer by wire which was not "promised" in 2019.
I was not expecting the stereo to sound like a sound studio (but that's what they delivered). Best stereo I've ever had in a pickup.
The rear wheels were not supposed to steer too. Amazing nimbleness. Another under-promise and over-deliver.
I also got front and rear locking differentials that make it nearly unstoppable. I was not expecting that either.

Tesla did a lot of over-delivering, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[dalton108]

I bought the Dual Motor Cybertruck.

Tesla overdelivered on range by 14%.
They gave me the high ratio steer by wire which was not "promised" in 2019.
I was not expecting the stereo to sound like a sound studio (but that's what they delivered). Best stereo I've ever had in a pickup.
The rear wheels were not supposed to steer too. Amazing nimbleness. Another under-promise and over-deliver.
I also got front and rear locking differentials that make it nearly unstoppable. I was not expecting that either.

Tesla did a lot of over-delivering, as far as I'm concerned.

And my CyberBeast is FASTER than what was promised. Things that are true are just true. That’s how this works. None of this is hard.

If the New Roadster doesn’t have 600 miles of range, then that will be another promise unkept. People can decide whether that affects their desire to follow through with the purchase.

I’m probably going to buy the New Roadster when it comes out. I have no intentions of pre-ordering it. I would personally be furious if I had given Elon $50k 8 years ago.

But if I don’t buy the New Roadster it won’t be because it has 500 instead of 600 miles range. If it only has 300 miles range at an average speed of 80 miles an hour that’ll be just fine. It also won’t be predicated on whether it can hover (which I think is not going to be an option for anybody who didn’t get in line for the “founders edition” anyhow).

Those differences, if they end up happening, will be substantially different from being 200 miles short on what for all intents & purposes would be a very formidable tow vehicle if it in fact had 500 miles of range. without that extra range it just doesn’t cut the mustard for many use-case scenarios. Zero people should be defensive about that indisputable fact.

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