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I know exactly what it means, no need to look it up. It still spins around its host planet, it just shows the same face to it.
So if you are on one spot on the moon, and that spot doesn't turn away from the earth, like the earth does to the moon, then how can the position of earth relative to your static position change on the moon horizon? Imagine you were standing on a stationary spacecraft instead of a rotating earth. Would you get a a sunrise or sunset, if you didn't spin on your own axis in relation to the sun?
 
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I know exactly what it means, no need to look it up. It still spins around its host planet, it just shows the same face to it.
yes

and so, standing on that face, the earth never rises or sets

imagine the sun was in the middle of the sky, and the earth was locked. Sun would never move from its position in the sky
 

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They could initially offer the 300 mile battery, and add the 500 mile battery later when they have a better battery supply. So I don't think we need to assume the weight given means only one battery choice in the long run.
I don't think it is about battery supply. It is about pack configuration (single stack), energy density. and lowest manufacturing cost. I am guessing that there will be a single size pack with around 350 to 400 (street tire option) miles of range. Greater ranges will only come with improved cells.

Some people will be very disappointed. The 200,000 units per year we have been hearing takes this into account. Stock is going to suffer short term, But I think Tesla made the right call.

Price will be better than many expected. The dual motor with more range and 4ws will be $59,900 and the tri motor will still be $69,900 with less range than originally proposed. We lost a middle seat in there too. Tesla will claim best range, best performance, best payload, best charging, best price for BEV only full size trucks upper trim. (not best cabin) (I am not counting the range on the Rivian either - it is smaller)

Elon never wanted to build a super heavy vehicle. The 500 mile version pack would weight ~700 lbs more and the truck CG would raise an ~ inch and the interior volume would be reduced by 80 plus mm. The suspension , seats etc. would have to be built for to accommodate the 500 mile range version.

Eventually improved charging speeds, expanding network, improved chemistry or powered trailers etc. will get us to satisfactory towing.

Maybe we will see a powered trailer at launch, or maybe a battery back pack cube that bolts into the bed ( I would love that) to distract us from the lack of 500 mile range promised.

I am considering dumping some of my shares (20%) and buying back at $100. Tesla is an energy/AI company. IDK they will temper this disappointment with news on the $27K car.

Nov 30th will be very interesting.
 


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I admit that I am pretty dissapointed in what I have been hearing and seeing so far. That NYC pic showing a nicely fitted CT gives me hope about gaps and alignment but I know how tesla delivers cars so I think that was the exception (for the press) and not the rule. The only class leading feature I expect from the CT at this point is likely to be its price.

My Three biggest concerns at this point (in order)

1) View from drivers seat with those elongated A-pillers. How much (if any) of a blind spot it causes... FSD will eventually eliminate this but I don't see that happening for many years.

2) Range 400+ absolute minimum for me in a truck . I want 450+ but I would settle for 400 or more.

3) Lack of USS . Having the extra cameras and changed positions, I hope they can finally release a 360 view for the CT. The lack of USS is a big concern on a truck , The vision replacement is garbage on the cars (so far) , A 360 view can go a long way to eliminating its shortcomings .

Some people will be very disappointed. The 200,000 units per year we have been hearing takes this into account. Stock is going to suffer short term, But I think Tesla made the right call.

Price will be better than many expected. The dual motor with more range and 4ws will be $59,900 and the tri motor will still be $69,900 with less range than originally proposed. We lost a middle seat in there too. Tesla will claim best range, best performance, best payload, best charging, best price for BEV only full size trucks upper trim. (not best cabin) (I am not counting the range on the Rivian either - it is smaller)
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Nov 30th will be very interesting.
 

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I don't think it is about battery supply. It is about pack configuration (single stack), energy density. and lowest manufacturing cost. I am guessing that there will be a single size pack with around 350 to 400 (street tire option) miles of range. Greater ranges will only come with improved cells.

Some people will be very disappointed. The 200,000 units per year we have been hearing takes this into account. Stock is going to suffer short term, But I think Tesla made the right call.

Price will be better than many expected. The dual motor with more range and 4ws will be $59,900 and the tri motor will still be $69,900 with less range than originally proposed. We lost a middle seat in there too. Tesla will claim best range, best performance, best payload, best charging, best price for BEV only full size trucks upper trim. (not best cabin) (I am not counting the range on the Rivian either - it is smaller)

Elon never wanted to build a super heavy vehicle. The 500 mile version pack would weight ~700 lbs more and the truck CG would raise an ~ inch and the interior volume would be reduced by 80 plus mm. The suspension , seats etc. would have to be built for to accommodate the 500 mile range version.

Eventually improved charging speeds, expanding network, improved chemistry or powered trailers etc. will get us to satisfactory towing.

Maybe we will see a powered trailer at launch, or maybe a battery back pack cube that bolts into the bed ( I would love that) to distract us from the lack of 500 mile range promised.

I am considering dumping some of my shares (20%) and buying back at $100. Tesla is an energy/AI company. IDK they will temper this disappointment with news on the $27K car.

Nov 30th will be very interesting.
Check out the 4680 Structural Pack thread to see why a double stack doesn't work well.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...pack-how-does-it-work.9731/page-2#post-194269
 

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I admit that I am pretty dissapointed in what I have been hearing and seeing so far. That NYC pic showing a nicely fitted CT gives me hope about gaps and alignment but I know how tesla delivers cars so I think that was the exception (for the press) and not the rule. The only class leading feature I expect from the CT at this point is likely to be its price.

My Three biggest concerns at this point (in order)

1) View from drivers seat with those elongated A-pillers. How much (if any) of a blind spot it causes... FSD will eventually eliminate this but I don't see that happening for many years.

2) Range 400+ absolute minimum for me in a truck . I want 450+ but I would settle for 400 or more.

3) Lack of USS . Having the extra cameras and changed positions, I hope they can finally release a 360 view for the CT. The lack of USS is a big concern on a truck , The vision replacement is garbage on the cars (so far) , A 360 view can go a long way to eliminating its shortcomings .
No offense but IDGAF about blind spot (it's going to be drivable) or Birdseye (nice to have but not a reason to select or not select a vehicle)

My top 3 preferences are below, but regardless I'll buy the truck to replace my M3P
#1: Range > 400
#2: Tow Rating - was counting on 14k Tri, as I need 13k to support trailer's max GVWR....11k sux, I could still pull the trailer with 1k cargo, but that's it...this will force me to keep my Diesel Truck.
#3: Bed long enough to fit motorcycle with tailgate down - looks like it will be close but fine
 

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No offense but IDGAF about blind spot (it's going to be drivable) or Birdseye (nice to have but not a reason to select or not select a vehicle)

My top 3 preferences are below, but regardless I'll buy the truck to replace my M3P
#1: Range > 400
#2: Tow Rating - was counting on 14k Tri, as I need 13k to support trailer's max GVWR....11k sux, I could still pull the trailer with 1k cargo, but that's it...this will force me to keep my Diesel Truck.
#3: Bed long enough to fit motorcycle with tailgate down - looks like it will be close but fine

I never really understood trailer capacity. It should be a function of steering, braking, and motive power, with motive power being highly subjective. Do you really need to do 75 MPH up a 6% grade?

That said the dual motor should have all the towing capacity of the tri motor. 14k is a lot and is starting to get niche. 11k is still a lot. IDK, of all the specs, this should be easy to keep. Easier than the 3500k payload, also overkill.
 


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if it's any consolation, when the Model S released it was merely fast.

took a while before they released the version, the Plaid, that was rub-their-noses-in-it fast
This is my concern with Cybertruck and me personally wanting it to be feature-rich right from the start. I'm the type that buys the most expensive variant of a vehicle with all the options and I keep it long-term. Does this mean that I'll have to wait 4 to 8 years to finally get the Cybertruck that's right for me?

S/X took just under 10-years to get right; 3 took 6-years to be good; Y be nearly perfect once they release Juniper, so about 4-years. Tesla is clearly trending towards a reduced lag-time of making their vehicles better after initial production. With everything that's being presented, I become less excited for CT.

The issue then becomes what other light-duty Class 2B truck is out there that will be on par or better that CT - none.
 

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No offense but IDGAF about blind spot (it's going to be drivable) or Birdseye (nice to have but not a reason to select or not select a vehicle)
Unfortunatley I am not the only one that will be driving it (at least on weekends) and certain people ( who shall not be named) are lets say ... not as carefull about hitting stationary objects as i am. The MY ( With USS) has been pretty accurate with distance to object. The Vision replacement is garbage. There is suppose ot be an update to "Vision" coming to address these issues but its a show stopper for me since Vision is currently worse then no sensors at all.
 

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The issue then becomes what other light-duty Class 2B truck is out there that will be on par or better that CT - none.
Take the Tesla Brand and FSD away from ther CT and stick it on the F-150 or R1-T. Do you still buy the CT ?
 
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Take the Tesla Brand and FSD away from ther CT and stick it on the F-150 or R1-T. Do you still buy it ?
Here's the problem with that. Tesla wouldn't build the F150 the way the F150 is made. So your question is analogous to "If your Aunt had a johnson, would she be your Uncle?"

I think the R1T is closer to what Tesla might have made. I'm not buying the CT as a truck, so my answer is no. Others are probably closer to a yes.
 

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I probably contributed to that. We won't see a full double stack. Maybe some remote areas. Under the dash area or maybe the under the back seat if they do make a 500 mile version.
1000 mile CT regular cab.

Back seat converted to battery storage and spare tire storage.

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