Any 500mi range updates?

[acey]

Guy was driving fast 75-80 mostly highway during winter in cold weather.

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[Crissa]

Guy was driving fast 75-80 mostly highway during winter in cold weather.

Probably didn't pre-heat, either.

I wonder how much range they lost in their ICE vehicles! I can lose 10-20% in rain on the highway in my Mazda.

-Crissa

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

If he said it, and if he was talking about the Cybertruck, he is wrong. For a passenger car like Models SX3Y, yes, but for the Cybertruck and Semi, no. A truck is intended to haul cargo, whether in the bed or towing (or both), and range has to take these loads into consideration. BEVs already suffer huge range losses in hot and cold weather, and at higher speeds, so coupling this with load-related range losses and the requirement to not use the entire rated SOC range and you are left with insufficient range for a work truck. He knows this probably better than we do. 400 miles with 25% loss for weather, 50% loss for towing, 20% loss for battery SOC, and 10% for speed gets you about 110 miles. Ok, you probably don’t experience all of these at once but that is a worst case scenario. If he means real-world range ‘after’ all these losses then 400 would be great, but to do that would make the EPA range huge. The Cybertruck was designed to disrupt the full-sized ICE pickup market and those trucks with large gas tanks can get hundreds of miles of range. I do not see a 400-mile BEV competing.

 

[PilotPete]

I just got back from a trip to France. Virtually ZERO trucks there. But what I DID see was sedans towing stuff. And not just occasionally, I saw it a lot. Even small boats! And and massively disproportionate number of Teslas towing stuff. It wasn’t like California, where you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a Tesla. They were few and far between (outside the major towns), but when you see something towing, it was 33-50% Tesla.

 

[Tiberius]

I just got back from a trip to France. Virtually ZERO trucks there. But what I DID see was sedans towing stuff. And not just occasionally, I saw it a lot. Even small boats! And and massively disproportionate number of Teslas towing stuff. It wasn’t like California, where you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a Tesla. They were few and far between (outside the major towns), but when you see something towing, it was 33-50% Tesla.

yep - towing is really common in Europe with no regard to the vehicle type. When I was a kid, almost every sedan my dad owned had a hitch and we had two or three different sized trailers.
It makes so much sense for the occasional use of not filling your car with crud.
The US version is to constantly haul around a vehicle humongous enough to carry that one big load you need once in the lifetime of car.

 

[cvalue13]

The US version is to constantly haul around a vehicle humongous enough to carry that one big load you need once in the lifetime of car.

‘merica

worth noting, however, that many in US select for a vehicle that can town not just heavy, but also long distance

 

[Stuck4ger]

Who needs a long range battery when a rapid charge battery is a better solution? It would be smaller and lighter.

The greater the range the greater the number of days that I will be comfortable in camp mode. [Under the bridge, down by the river]

 

[Stuck4ger]

I mean… ?? If they delivered only trucks with 200 miles range would that be considered “Up to 500 miles”?

Well, I personally have “up to Olympic sprinter speed”

 

[Coolbreeze704]

I just got back from a trip to France. Virtually ZERO trucks there. But what I DID see was sedans towing stuff. And not just occasionally, I saw it a lot. Even small boats! And and massively disproportionate number of Teslas towing stuff. It wasn’t like California, where you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a Tesla. They were few and far between (outside the major towns), but when you see something towing, it was 33-50% Tesla.

 

[SpaceYooper]

What you started as a statement and ended as a question is not true.

 

[Tiberius]

‘merica

worth noting, however, that many in US select for a vehicle that can town not just heavy, but also long distance

I didn't realize that sedans had such a serious range limitation, someone should let the folks in Europe know that before they find themselves stranded.
Seriously though - that is that standard argument for why US drivers justify what they buy, just in case they might have a need to tow that great big heavy trailer that a buddy owns.
One of my friends once told me when I bought my Model 3 - but can it tow 14000lbs of feed to my farm. I didn't need to ever do that so trailering wasn't a criteria.
However, I might occasionally need a 500-1500lb trailer that my Model 3 can easily tow.
A truck isn't the only answer to towing.
Still getting a CT though for those times when I need to haul that 14k of feed from to my farm

 

[Diehard]

I didn't realize that sedans had such a serious range limitation, someone should let the folks in Europe know that before they find themselves stranded.
Seriously though - that is that standard argument for why US drivers justify what they buy, just in case they might have a need to tow that great big heavy trailer that a buddy owns.
One of my friends once told me when I bought my Model 3 - but can it tow 14000lbs of feed to my farm. I didn't need to ever do that so trailering wasn't a criteria.
However, I might occasionally need a 500-1500lb trailer that my Model 3 can easily tow.
A truck isn't the only answer to towing.
Still getting a CT though for those times when I need to haul that 14k of feed from to my farm

It is possible that like Rivian, Tesla starts with lower range CT until it runs out of customers and then release a 500 mile. With lower range CT, the payload, performance and production numbers could be maximized.

 

[cvalue13]

I didn't realize that sedans had such a serious range limitation, someone should let the folks in Europe know that before they find themselves stranded.
Seriously though - that is that standard argument for why US drivers justify what they buy, just in case they might have a need to tow that great big heavy trailer that a buddy owns.

if you wanna’ be chippy about it, you might at least be generous in your interpretations

compared to trucks, sedans *do* have serious range limitations - particularly when towing

first, pulling any material trailer, compared to trucks, sedans experience far greater range loss from drag (due to their base range being so dependent on low drag, and as a result the trailer exposed to more undisturbed air)

second, US light/medium trucks come OEM with massive fuel tanks (and given their poor aero, trailers don’t degrade range as badly as in a sedan). The Ford F-150’s optional 36-gallon tank, for example, offers 936 miles (1,500km) of range (unladen). The 250 Superduty has an optional 42 gallon, getting 720mi (1,150km).

nobody said trucks are the only way to trailer light loads

but it *was* you suggesting that in order to tow few need more than a sedan, silly Americans

 

[Stuck4ger]

The key metric is CoD x Frontal area

And that 1/2 rho V squared thing

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