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If you take air out of the tank, the compressor will be called upon to fill it back up to the regulator settings. If you demand more air out of the tank like on a jobsite as was mentioned. That little compressor will run too long burning itself out.

No need to be snarky, stay civilized. im guessing its why you were banned?
Yes.

You set the activation pressure at the minimum point of the tank. So it only fills in single goes and has time to cool off.

When it kicks in, you know it's time to take a break and use a different tool.

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Compressor could be two "good enough" units like Rivian. Could be a custom single compressor doing the air suspension and air hose.

Electricity out at a minimum would need to match ford. But tesla doesn't like options, so I'm unclear if a 240V option will be standard. I assume CT launches V2H and that powerwalls already are designed to accept DC input from vehicles.

The shape of CT makes it inferior as a construction trades vehicle, IMO. There is no upside to the sloped sides when it comes to customizing the bed. I think trades who really want it can make it work, but I don't see how it will be superior. I feel that CT is as much a large SUV competitor as a traditional pickup replacement. In its current form it will never take most of F series sales. I'm sure Tesla has other potential forms designed that they may or may not build.

As I've said elsewhere a four door isn't a pure work truck anyways. Four doors are multipurpose vehicles. Most tradespeople who want a pure work truck would allocate the second row space differently. For a plumber doing new construction/large remodels a similar length Sprinter likely makes much more sense.
 

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I want to know more about the following.
- 220v outlets
Answered inline above. I would assume the compressor and 240v outlets are minimal output unless we hear otherwise. I would love to hear it’s a 50a 240v outlet, but don’t hold your breath.
Ford F150 capability for comparison. 30a 240v 7.2kW

"Configured with the top-tier Pro Power Onboard system, the F-150 Lightning can deliver up to
9.6 kilowatts. One circuit serves the sockets in the cabin and the frunk, good for 2.4 kW.
Meanwhile, twin inverters in the rear bed deliver 3.6 kW each, and can be ganged up to a single 240V outlet to act as a single 7.2 kW supply if so desired."
via: https://www.thedrive.com/news/the-ford-f-150-lightning-can-charge-five-cars-at-once

2.4 kW @ 120v = 20 A
3.6 kW @ 120v = 30 A
7.2 kW @ 240v = 30 A
 
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It will have built-in compressed air but it's not going to supply the volume of air a normal contractors jobsite compressor for things like framing nail guns, house-painting spray guns, etc. The compressor will be lighter duty than that.

We don't know the amperage of the 240V outlets, probably 30 amp, enough to run a compressor or welder, etc.

I'm confident Tesla will offer a contractor's rack, perhaps not available upon initial deliveries - it might take the better part of a year to be available. The rack will actually be lighter than a typical pick-up rack because the sail pillars will reduce the height and increase the rigidity of the rack. The rack will have a significant impact on range, especially when loaded but also bare. This will not be a big problem for most uses requiring a rack because contractors tend to work locally. It's pretty hard to make a decent living when you have drive 3 hours to the jobsite and three hours home.

Ideally, there will be receptacles for the rack verticals in the sail pillar which could greatly shorten the amount of time it takes to install/remove the rack so it could also be used by people who only need a rack intermittently. If receptacles are outboard of the vault cover the two could be used in conjunction with each other. This is what I would expect.

We don't know if it will have a pass-through or a tunnel. I would say very unlikely on the tunnel and maybe not a pass-through either.

It's going to be a ground-breaking product and highly versatile for the most needed uses. Tesla is not that focused on making a lifestyle truck, AKA Rivian R1T, and very focused on displacing millions of ICE powered trucks over time.
Although you may be right about the compressor capabilities, I have never seen anything from Tesla stating what the capabilities will be. I have seen reviews of the Rivian compressor and the Lightning compressor and the former seemed under powered and the latter was fine. Where did you get this information if you didn't make it up?

We do not know how 'many' outlets there will be, or their locations on the truck, but Tesla has stated that there will be both 110 and 220 outlets. 110 outlets are normally 15 amps, and 220 outlets are normally 20+ amps. Again, unless you have a reference URL that you can share it might be best to say that we do not know (but normally the values are blah, blah, like I just did - though that isn't really new information).

At this point, if the compressor cannot handle jobsite pneumatic tools then we might as well use the outlets to run tools and hope that there are enough outlets to support normal jobsite tools and activities. Hope. I would be disappointed if Tesla didn't at least match what Ford has done with the Lightning since Tesla has over a year extra to implement them (and adding more outlets isn't exactly a big deal).
 

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I swear I’ve never seen this picture before. That is exactly what I want out of the sail pillar storage.
It is hard to find but it was shown at the unveiling, at the point where they had a graphic that said "built for anything" or some such.
 


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The compressor is “Free”. It’ll be whatever the air suspension requires.

The AC out is just a matter of what Tesla installs. No reason it couldn’t support 50a output, but they might put something lower in. I hope Ford’s killer AC out system will make them realize its a desirable feature. Would sure be nice to be able to have a generator input for the house and just plug in and switch over when there is a power outage.
I would like to like this comment but the compressor need not be 'just' what the suspension requires. That is the lower bound for sure, but if you are going to have one, and advertise it as useful for a work truck, then you really need to go past suspension and tire inflation specs. Do I know? No. I do agree about Ford's AC capabilities.
 

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Compressor could be two "good enough" units like Rivian. Could be a custom single compressor doing the air suspension and air hose.
I’m trying to envision what people would be doing with a compressor on the truck myself. I’d expect most professionals who do roofing or framing and need a hard working compressor would have an external compressor and just use the truck for power. The folks who need a compressor for work, work the hell out of them and that’s not the sort of unnecessary load you’d want to put on your likely expensive to service onboard compressor.

Blow up an external compressor: $500 replacement. Blow up your the compressor built into your truck for lifting the vehicle? Likely 5x that much to fix.

The onboard compressor would be fantastic for light jobs, but it just makes no sense to put that sort of continuous load on parts of your truck’s suspension system. This is one of those Penny Wise, dollar poor things. Yeah… air up the tires with it. If you are putting together a chicken coop or fixing a fence, sure. But if you have extended duty cycles, not a good idea.

The shape of CT makes it inferior as a construction trades vehicle, IMO. There is no upside to the sloped sides when it comes to customizing the bed. I think trades who really want it can make it work, but I don't see how it will be superior. I feel that CT is as much a large SUV competitor as a traditional pickup replacement. In its current form it will never take most of F series sales. I'm sure Tesla has other potential forms designed that they may or may not build.

As I've said elsewhere a four door isn't a pure work truck anyways. Four doors are multipurpose vehicles. Most tradespeople who want a pure work truck would allocate the second row space differently. For a plumber doing new construction/large remodels a similar length Sprinter likely makes much more sense.
Everyone has strong opinions about what “Shape” a work vehicle needs to be. Someone else suggested vans would be better.

It really depends on the actual work. I do think the Cybertruck with a bed drawer system would be fantastic for a lot of trades though. Particularly if the sail pillars ship. Then you have a vehicle with easy to access storage for small tools in the sail pillars, frunk storage for larger tools and supplies you need quick access too. The pull out drawer could provide a huge amount of tool and parts storage, and the bed above the drawers would be ideal for larger objects.

The fact that the truck lowers and raises is a huge bonus for ergonomics. The price to operate will completely crush any ICE vehicle. Likewise performance and onboard power options. Being able to run a welder or other power tools without a generator is a huge perk.

But really, it’s hard to say without knowing exactly what people are doing with the vehicle. “Trades Vehicles” can mean a whole lot of different things.
 

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I want to know more about the following.

- built in compressor
- 220v outlets
- ability to transport 20ft lumber and pipes
- how can we add a lumber rack on this slanted frame
- passthrough rear seats or tunnel?
Ford F150 capability for comparison. 30a 240v 7.2kW

"Configured with the top-tier Pro Power Onboard system, the F-150 Lightning can deliver up to
9.6 kilowatts. One circuit serves the sockets in the cabin and the frunk, good for 2.4 kW.
Meanwhile, twin inverters in the rear bed deliver 3.6 kW each, and can be ganged up to a single 240V outlet to act as a single 7.2 kW supply if so desired."
via: https://www.thedrive.com/news/the-ford-f-150-lightning-can-charge-five-cars-at-once

2.4 kW @ 120v = 20 A
3.6 kW @ 120v = 30 A
7.2 kW @ 240v = 30 A
Keep in mind that the base model Lightning Pro ( priced originally at $40K but now $56K) 240mi range does not include any 220V outlets and the maximum output is 2.4KW not 9.6KW nor 7.2KW.

9.6KW Pro Power On-Board is an option.

Also regular consumers (non-fleet) buyers of base model Lightning Pro ( priced originally at $40K but now $56K) can NOT buy the extended range battery 320mi range option.

For regular consumers the Lightning XLT model is the least expensive model where extended range battery 320mi option can be chosen. The lowest price Lightning XLT with the extended range battery 320mi range option is $81K and this price also includes the 9.6KW Pro Power On-Board feature.

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https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning

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Although you may be right about the compressor capabilities, I have never seen anything from Tesla stating what the capabilities will be. I have seen reviews of the Rivian compressor and the Lightning compressor and the former seemed under powered and the latter was fine. Where did you get this information if you didn't make it up?
Tesla has not stated what the specs of the compressor are, but it can be derived if you are familiar with how Tesla uses first principles thinking. For example, we know that air suspension is not a high-volume application, and neither is topping up tire pressure after off-roading or plugging a flat tire. A small compressor can do all of these common tasks.

We also know that high volume air compressors are bigger and bulkier and not as efficient at lower volume tasks and they weigh a lot more and require more maintenance. Tesla wants the truck to be as low maintenance as possible and doesn't want to equip every Cybertruck with a heavy high-volume, contractor grade air compressor that takes up valuable space. The most functionality for the least weight and volume is the goal here. This is how I know every Cybertruck will not come equipped with a high-volume, contractor grade air compressor.

We do not know how 'many' outlets there will be, or their locations on the truck, but Tesla has stated that there will be both 110 and 220 outlets. 110 outlets are normally 15 amps, and 220 outlets are normally 20+ amps. Again, unless you have a reference URL that you can share it might be best to say that we do not know (but normally the values are blah, blah, like I just did - though that isn't really new information).
First off, the nominal voltages in N. America are 120V and 240V (not 110V and 220V) so even though that's what was on Tesla's infographic during the reveal, it is certainly incorrect.

Secondly, I only addressed 240V outlets because the poster I was responding to did not ask about 120V outlets. I clearly stated that Tesla has not announced the available amperage but provided a guess that they would probably be 30 amp or more. That was clearly stated that it was probable, but not guaranteed, because, obviously, Tesla hasn't announced it yet which I made clear. I'm not sure why you are being so anal about this. I don't have a URL for what is obviously just an educated guess (and was never stated as anything more than that). Don't be silly!

At this point, if the compressor cannot handle jobsite pneumatic tools then we might as well use the outlets to run tools and hope that there are enough outlets to support normal jobsite tools and activities. Hope. I would be disappointed if Tesla didn't at least match what Ford has done with the Lightning since Tesla has over a year extra to implement them (and adding more outlets isn't exactly a big deal).
I disagree that Tesla needs to match the 11 outlets on the Lightning. Ford went over-the-top on "going to eleven" (like the stereo on Spinal Tap) because it was a cheap and easy way to "one-up" Tesla, not because customers are dying to have 11 outlets! Tesla will put in a reasonable number of outlets, not 12 because they feel compelled to outdo the Lightning. People know how to use a powerstrip if the application calls for that many things plugged in, like multiple laptops, battery chargers, alarm clocks, blenders, refrigerators, etc. Construction sites reqularly have splitters so the carpenters can run a skill saw, lighting, etc. off the same extension cord so it's not a problem there either.

You can be disappointed all you want if Tesla doesn't match the number of outlets the Lightning has, Tesla isn't worried about trying to compete with the number of electrical outlets the Lightning offers because the Cybertruck in another class in ways that actually matter. The Lightning cannot compete with the Cybertruck even if it had 42 outlets and a power switching center with amp meters for every outlet.
 

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Tesla has not stated what the specs of the compressor are, but it can be derived if you are familiar with how Tesla uses first principles thinking. For example, we know that air suspension is not a high-volume application, and neither is topping up tire pressure after off-roading or plugging a flat tire. A small compressor can do all of these common tasks.

We also know that high volume air compressors are bigger and bulkier and not as efficient at lower volume tasks and they weigh a lot more and require more maintenance. Tesla wants the truck to be as low maintenance as possible and doesn't want to equip every Cybertruck with a heavy high-volume, contractor grade air compressor that takes up valuable space. The most functionality for the least weight and volume is the goal here. This is how I know every Cybertruck will not come equipped with a high-volume, contractor grade air compressor.



First off, the nominal voltages in N. America are 120V and 240V (not 110V and 220V) so even though that's what was on Tesla's infographic during the reveal, it is certainly incorrect.

Secondly, I only addressed 240V outlets because the poster I was responding to did not ask about 120V outlets. I clearly stated that Tesla has not announced the available amperage but provided a guess that they would probably be 30 amp or more. That was clearly stated that it was probable, but not guaranteed, because, obviously, Tesla hasn't announced it yet which I made clear. I'm not sure why you are being so anal about this. I don't have a URL for what is obviously just an educated guess (and was never stated as anything more than that). Don't be silly!



I disagree that Tesla needs to match the 11 outlets on the Lightning. Ford went over-the-top on "going to eleven" (like the stereo on Spinal Tap) because it was a cheap and easy way to "one-up" Tesla, not because customers are dying to have 11 outlets! Tesla will put in a reasonable number of outlets, not 12 because they feel compelled to outdo the Lightning. People know how to use a powerstrip if the application calls for that many things plugged in, like multiple laptops, battery chargers, alarm clocks, blenders, refrigerators, etc. Construction sites reqularly have splitters so the carpenters can run a skill saw, lighting, etc. off the same extension cord so it's not a problem there either.

You can be disappointed all you want if Tesla doesn't match the number of outlets the Lightning has, Tesla isn't worried about trying to compete with the number of electrical outlets the Lightning offers because the Cybertruck in another class in ways that actually matter. The Lightning cannot compete with the Cybertruck even if it had 42 outlets and a power switching center with amp meters for every outlet.
I do not recall your answer making it clear that it was educated guesses; the way I read it was that it was factual, and if I can misread it then others might as well. I only ask for links when it seems to me that someone is stating a fact that I cannot trace. I do not think that is being anal.

I do not think a million outlets is necessary but I also don't think that 1 is enough. Rivian doesn't appear to have either enough nor good control of the ones it has. Since I am not a contractor I do not have a good feeling for what is good enough but I do hope that they thought about it carefully.
 


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I think having power outlets in the sail pillars would be amazing. Should be the perfect size to squeeze in a row of cordless battery chargers. Also, when you are parked, having power coming out of the side of the truck makes a lot more sense than behind it.

Doesn’t need a ton of outlets, just make them all 20 amp circuits so you can run extension cords from them. I think ideal would be:
  • Have a 240v outlet and 2 120v outlets in the passenger (sidewalk) side sail pillar.
  • 2 120v outlets in the driver side sail pillar.
  • 1x 120v outlets in the frunk.
  • 2x 120v outlets in the vault.
  • 1x 120v outlets in the cab.
Having the outlets on the sides of the vehicle instead of the rear means the rear of the truck is focused on cargo which is what it should be. It also means you don’t have to open or close the vault to get at the outlets.

No.. not mandatory or “Required” to compete. That’s just me idea of what would be ideal. Just a couple 120v (20 amp each) outlets and a 240v outlet in the vault is enough.
 

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What’s the big deal? 99% of the pickup trucks out there never haul anything in the back bed portion. A salesman once told me that the selling point of driving a pickup truck is the higher elevation in the driver’s seat. It called the “Commanding View”.
 

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What’s the big deal? 99% of the pickup trucks out there never haul anything in the back bed portion. A salesman once told me that the selling point of driving a pickup truck is the higher elevation in the driver’s seat. It called the “Commanding View”.
Since the Cybertruck rides low by default, maybe a good aftermarket product for the Cybertruck would be seats that suction cup to the roof of the cab so people can enjoy that “commanding view”.

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Drive by wire makes this all possible. The optional bubble cockpit with fairings and mega-oodles frunk will also be available.
 

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I do not recall your answer making it clear that it was educated guesses; the way I read it was that it was factual, and if I can misread it then others might as well. I only ask for links when it seems to me that someone is stating a fact that I cannot trace. I do not think that is being anal.
The exact statement that you took issue with was, "We don't know the amperage of the 240V outlets, probably 30 amp, enough to run a compressor or welder, etc. "

I'm not sure how you can mistake that for anything but an educated guess. On the air compressor, it's just obvious that Tesla is not going to install a high-volume, contractor grade compressor in a truck. It's obvious it will be suitable for airing up a tire, not framing a house. You could probably use it ocassionally in a pinch for a little finish nailer but I wouldn't plan on having it replace a regular compressor for construction sites.

Do you have any idea how advantageous it is for off-roaders to have a convenient source of compressed air for the long drive home after an off-road excursion that required airing down?
 

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Do you have any idea how advantageous it is for off-roaders to have a convenient source of compressed air for the long drive home after an off-road excursion that required airing down?
Not just after airing down. A few ups and downs or hitting much colder temps or whatever and your tires aren't perfect at keeping the air in, especially when you're giving them workouts over cobbles.

I have to air my Mazda's tires mostly at season changes, but definitely after high altitude changes or going off road or winter storms. And I'm not airing down intentionally!

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