Cybertruck BIW body-in-white frames with front/rear castings 🤩 [7/11/23]

[Startreknerd]

“Not building in Texas” gang is awful quiet..

I'm in the camp, "build it in Not Texas"

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[Aussie]

Modern vehicles are totaled if they roll-over or are impacted at typical crash speeds of 30 mph and above. Cybertruck will survive fender-benders in a similar manner to any other vehicle because the rails on the front and rear castings are designed to be replaceable.

What really pushes up insurance rates are injuries and the rate of accidents. Because the Cyberturck will be more maneuverable and much harder to roll than a typical truck, and have far more effective accident-avoidance technologies, the accident rate will be much lower. And the superior strength and lack of roll-overs will greatly reduce injuries and deaths which is what can push insurance claims up to the policy limits. The cost of the vehicle is peanuts compared to that.

It looks to me that the cost to insure the Cybertruck will be less, not more. Keeping people safe and out of hospitals is priceless when it comes to insurance rates. Look at those castings forming the bed wings. Once they are wrapped in 3mm thick, cold-rolled stainless steel, they will act like a roll-cage in severe accidents where the truck does actually get flipped on it's roof. How many legacy trucks have roll-cages integrated into the cab to protect the human lives? If third party insurers quote a high price, check out Tesla Insurance, that's exactly why they decided to go into the insurance business, to keep legacy insurers honest.

The only problem with Tesla insurance is they are big brother and watch the car and driver constantly. If you drive at night, they can raise your rate. Pass a car too quickly, but safely, they can still raise your rate. With Tesla insurance you’re not driving your car as its owner, you’re essentially driving theirs as an employee.

 

[CyberGus]

So we can argue about crustaceans and tendons and how the insides of a CT would taste with drawn butter all day long.

 

[fritter63]

What really pushes up insurance rates are injuries and the rate of accidents. Because the Cyberturck will be more maneuverable and much harder to roll than a typical truck, and have far more effective accident-avoidance technologies, the accident rate will be much lower. And the superior strength and lack of roll-overs will greatly reduce injuries and deaths which is what can push insurance claims up to the policy limits. The cost of the vehicle is peanuts compared to that.

I hope you're right. Last month we got an insurance bump on the model 3's ("due to increased parts and labor costs"), even though we have never made a claim (ignoring the incident that wasn't our fault and they didn't have to pay for)....

So I decided to shop around to double check... best quote I got was another 30% higher (AAA !), and I got one quote that was over $500/mo for both cars (this with us both NOT commuting anymore and listed at 8K/miles per year).

So I'm REALLY concerned about what the CT will cost to insure (always have been).

 

[fritter63]

 

[EasternSP]

A picture taken inside a secure area?
Real trustworthy individual there.

 

[CyberGus]

The only problem with Tesla insurance is they are big brother and watch the car and driver constantly. If you drive at night, they can raise your rate. Pass a car too quickly, but safely, they can still raise your rate. With Tesla insurance you’re not driving your car as its owner, you’re essentially driving theirs as an employee.

You've been a member for 3 years, and this is the first hill you want to climb? Well alrighty then...

Sure, Tesla insurance rates are based on your driving habits and behaviors. Is that fair? Nothing is 100% equitable, but this is preferable to traditional insurance that does not factor-in your behavior at all. It's all based on your demographics. If you get married on your 25th birthday your "risk" drops precipitously, even though your driving has not changed.

I will shop around, but I think Tesla Insurance will end up giving me the best rates.

 

[CyberGus]

A picture taken inside a secure area?
Real trustworthy individual there.

IKR! I bet his name isn't even "Anonymous"

 

[DPye_BC]

I’m guessing that Tesla will use structural adhesives to attach the rear SS quarter panels to the aluminum Giga casting.

While I'm certain that structural adhesives will be involved, I expect Tesla to weld studs to the SS, just like SpaceX does for mounting thermal tiles on Starship. Then the panels get bolted onto the stamping and castings.
Even so, the structural adhesives will do most of the work.

 

[earthman]

Why not the exoskeleton?

as I understand it is a quasi-exoskeleton. They will have lots of Structural input from the exoskeleton, but also the support from the single piece rear and forward castings like normal cars would have will offer a large part of the structural integrity as well. Cory steuben discussed this in detail with Farzad. He said it was not an exoskeleton, but since then Elon musk has reconfirmed that it is indeed an exoskeleton design. I'm just saying it's quasi-exoskeleton based on Corey's input.

 

[ÆCIII]

Wow - and I thought I sometimes wrote some excessively long posts - not feeling quite as guilty of that anymore for some reason.

BTW - stuck an extra rendering on my last post in the "...accessories, shovels, first look" thread - here.​

- ÆCIII

 

[Ogre]

Modern vehicles are totaled if they roll-over or are impacted at typical crash speeds of 30 mph and above. Cybertruck will survive fender-benders in a similar manner to any other vehicle because the rails on the front and rear castings are designed to be replaceable.

What really pushes up insurance rates are injuries and the rate of accidents. Because the Cyberturck will be more maneuverable and much harder to roll than a typical truck, and have far more effective accident-avoidance technologies, the accident rate will be much lower. And the superior strength and lack of roll-overs will greatly reduce injuries and deaths which is what can push insurance claims up to the policy limits. The cost of the vehicle is peanuts compared to that.

It looks to me that the cost to insure the Cybertruck will be less, not more. Keeping people safe and out of hospitals is priceless when it comes to insurance rates. Look at those castings forming the bed wings. Once they are wrapped in 3mm thick, cold-rolled stainless steel, they will act like a roll-cage in severe accidents where the truck does actually get flipped on it's roof. How many legacy trucks have roll-cages integrated into the cab to protect the human lives? If third party insurers quote a high price, check out Tesla Insurance, that's exactly why they decided to go into the insurance business, to keep legacy insurers honest.

definitely

Just the fact that it has a super low center of gravity and typically drives 8” closer to the ground than vehicles with similar capabilities will massively reduce rollover risk. Rollovers are one of the most common ways truck occupants are injured or killed.

Cybertruck is much safer all around.

 

[DPye_BC]

Back to the original post:
Does this photo negate the idea of Tesla using the "unboxed process" in manufacturing the Cybertruck?

Is it possible that the front and rear could be mostly assembled before joining them together as shown in the photo?

Certainly, the doors are subassemblies that could be added last, and the battery pack plus seats would be separate, but what else?

Couldn't the motor(s) and suspension be added to the gigacastings before they are joined?

Likewise, could the instrument panel be joined to the front before further assembly?

What about the bed and tonneau cover?

Basically, I'm wondering how much of the "unboxed process" concept from the "next gen vehicle" could be adapted to make manufacturing the Cybertruck faster and less costly.

 

[SolarWizard]

You've been a member for 3 years, and this is the first hill you want to climb? Well alrighty then...

Sure, Tesla insurance rates are based on your driving habits and behaviors. Is that fair? Nothing is 100% equitable, but this is preferable to traditional insurance that does not factor-in your behavior at all. It's all based on your demographics. If you get married on your 25th birthday your "risk" drops precipitously, even though your driving has not changed.

I will shop around, but I think Tesla Insurance will end up giving me the best rates.

Tesla insurance is cheaper for the same driver in CA than it is in many other states.
Why? They aren’t allowed to base it off driving habits

 

[AeroTool]

To be more precise, it is an:

endoskeleton

ĕn″dō-skĕl′ĭ-tn
noun

1. An internal supporting skeleton, derived from the mesoderm, that is characteristic of vertebrates and certain invertebrates.
2. In anatomy, the internal skeleton or framework of the body; the whole bony, chitinous, cartilaginous, or other hard structure which lies within the integument, and is covered by flesh and skin, as distinguished from the exoskeleton.
3. The bony, cartilaginous, or other internal framework of an animal, as distinguished from the exoskeleton.

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