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We aren't supposed to leak any footage of the Cybertruck to the public so I get why they took down the post.

Its cool seeing you guys react to the BIW examples here. I remember seeing it a few weeks ago in BIW and was impressed by the sheer size of it.

I can't really talk about it because I work on these components. But yalls excitement is inspiring to see.

We are going to make a damn good product for all of you. And its gonna be done right.

Its all coming together. You will see.
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I hope you're right. Last month we got an insurance bump on the model 3's ("due to increased parts and labor costs"), even though we have never made a claim (ignoring the incident that wasn't our fault and they didn't have to pay for).... :mad:

So I decided to shop around to double check... best quote I got was another 30% higher (AAA !), and I got one quote that was over $500/mo for both cars (this with us both NOT commuting anymore and listed at 8K/miles per year).

So I'm REALLY concerned about what the CT will cost to insure (always have been).
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Safer for the occupants. Probably less safe for the occupants of the other vehicles in a crash with another vehicle. The increased injuries/severity of injuries to external individuals probably cancels out any cost savings from less injuries of the occupants of the CT itself.

What if in general most severe incidents were either single vehicle into in-moveable objects (like tree, pole, brick wall, highway divider, bridge support, unoccupied parked vehicle, etc) or single vehicle (like rollovers, into ditch, off cliff ) with no obstacle?

What if harm to outsiders (pedestrians, cyclists, passengers of other vehicles) vs advantage to occupants of Cybertruck was not evenly distributed.

Any canceling out might not be evenly distributed.

Compared to ICE trucks the lower and shorter hood of Cybertruck and active safety measures (AEB, camera based obstacle detection, etc) of Cybertruck hopefully will reduce number of pedestrian/cyclist accidents and when they do occur the injuries should be less.

Some Single-Vehicle Accident Statistics

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Fatality Facts 2021 - State by state
The following facts are based on analysis of data from the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Fatality Analysis Reporting System. Posted May 2023.
https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state

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Motor Vehicle - Type of Crash - Injury Facts
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2021
National Safety Council is America’s leading nonprofit safety advocate
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/overview/type-of-crash/

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Summary - Analysis of Fatal Motor Vehicle Traffic Crashes and Fatalities at Intersections, 1997 to 2004
Report Date: February 2007
https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/Publication/810682

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Single-vehicle crashes either involve a non-occupant fatality or a fatality to an occupant of a vehicle that hit a fixed object at the intersection like a tree, embankment, curb, etc.

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On an average, about 700 single-vehicle and 1,850 fatal multiple-vehicle crashes occur each year in intersections controlled by traffic signals. On an average, about 715 fatalities in single-vehicle crashes and 2,020 fatalities in multiple-vehicle crashes occur each year. At intersections controlled by stop signs, there were, on an average each year, 383 single-vehicle and 2,828 multiple-vehicle crashes, resulting in 402 and 3,241 fatalities, respectively.

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Seventy-eight percent of fatalities in single-vehicle crashes at inter-sections controlled by traffic signals occur to non-occupants. However, in multiple-vehicle crashes at inter-sections controlled by traffic signals, 97% of the fatalities occur to occupants of vehicles. When the intersection is controlled by a stop sign, 58 percent of the fatalities in single-vehicle crashes are vehicle occupants.

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For those who didn't watch American Auto, a comedy about a car manufacturer going through a rough patch...
On their introduction of their version of FSD, the car mowed down one of their factory workers. The main engineer figured out that the car was trained by using stock photos of people and that all those people were white. The factory guy who got hit (he was okay) was black. The engineer (also black) said "Oh, it's not racist. The car also hits Asians and Indians.":p
 

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For those who didn't watch American Auto, a comedy about a car manufacturer going through a rough patch...
On their introduction of their version of FSD, the car mowed down one of their factory workers. The main engineer figured out that the car was trained by using stock photos of people and that all those people were white. The factory guy who got hit (he was okay) was black. The engineer (also black) said "Oh, it's not racist. The car also hits Asians and Indians.":p
Even though it is a comedy and brings real stupidity to the fore, sometimes comedians take their creative license too far. Is it better to expose the racism that Apple and others exhibited in their face recognition software, or is it better to challenge it? I guess the latter would be more of a op ed than comedy
 


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Even though it is a comedy and brings real stupidity to the fore, sometimes comedians take their creative license too far. Is it better to expose the racism that Apple and others exhibited in their face recognition software, or is it better to challenge it? I guess the latter would be more of a op ed than comedy
If exposure were the goal, why not both?
 

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And I'm pretty sure they were throwing shade at the tech industry's issues with skin tone and recognition.
 

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But if a driver’s commute is statistically a more dangerous route then why shouldn’t it cost more to insure than those who enjoy a safer route)?
Statistically, though? Statistically, victims of crime are more likely to be victimized again. Does it make it better to penalize them further?

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Statistically, though? Statistically, victims of crime are more likely to be victimized again. Does it make it better to penalize them further?

-Crissa
Insurance companies make a profit based on how good they are at evaluating risk.

Thus places with higher fire danger have higher homer insurance premiums. Lots of people don’t like this idea, but that’s literally the business model.
 


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Insurance companies make a profit based on how good they are at evaluating risk.

Thus places with higher fire danger have higher homer insurance premiums. Lots of people don’t like this idea, but that’s literally the business model.
It's more profitable to dump trash on the street.

Some profits are not worth having. That's the job for regulation.

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It's more profitable to dump trash on the street.

Some profits are not worth having. That's the job for regulation.

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While I agree about trash, I don’t think it’s the same.

Increased insurance costs motivate people to make better choices. If a place is a high fire danger location, it should be more expensive to insure.
 

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While I agree about trash, I don’t think it’s the same.

Increased insurance costs motivate people to make better choices. If a place is a high fire danger location, it should be more expensive to insure.
There are some choices many don't have. The person working night shift. The person renting the only place they can afford. Etc.

-Crissa
 

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There are some choices many don't have. The person working night shift. The person renting the only place they can afford. Etc.

-Crissa
I agree.

I just don’t see the solution as cut and dried as you do.

It’s one of those places where unintended consequences often kicks in and we end up with taxpayers bailing out billionaires who have beach homes in Florida.

I know we’re way off your original comment and I’m not suggesting it’s equivalent, but regulation tends to be a hammer and fixes overly broad.
 

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Statistically, though? Statistically, victims of crime are more likely to be victimized again. Does it make it better to penalize them further?

-Crissa
Using stats and averages, if you stand with one foot on a block of dry ice, and one foot on a bed of hot coals, your crotch feels comfortable.

Or the comedian that said “I always carry a (big boom thing) on my flights. Because the odds are lower there will be 2 of them on a single flight.”
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