- Jul 31, 2021
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I haven't had to change a tire on a road trip in over 15 years, and I've traveled over 250K miles in that time. There is supposedly on-board compressed air. I'm not sure how often an actual spare would be needed. But if I were pulling a trailer with solar array to recharge on the Alaska highway driving from lower 48 to Fairbanks (since there's not enough supercharger coverage there yet), then I'd throw a spare in the back for that kind of trip.
It depends on what areas are traveled frequently. In sparse areas like deserts or northern states, one would be advised to put a spare in the back, so I can see where you are coming from.
a few distinctions:@cvalue13, does yours have this 'top tier Pro Power Onboard System' option?
I think the fabricated 'adapter' was likely posted as humor or 'in jest'. But if the number and size of conductors in the box's cubic inch volume, is within standards of the NEC, then it may (look) redic(ulous), but it still may be sound. The receptacles in the F150 Lightning 'top tier Pro Power Onboard System' are almost as many, but likely they're in a generously spaced and neater form factor box to house them. But I think @scottf200 's post was a little 'in jest' as far as form factor goes.I’ve heard of suicide cables, but this is redic
Reminds me to flesh out why it would be a big deal if the CT doesn’t have a 240v outlet
with the Lightning, many people quickly figured out that the “Home Integration System” wasn’t a good or reasonable buy for most
but that still leaves a relatively low cost and very functional way to use the Lightning to power the house:
Basically, you install a generator plug and service panel the same way you would for a gas generator (though with one little extra bit of equipment to deal with the bonded neutral in the Lightning).
While this V2H powering won’t turn on automatically in an outrage, it’s otherwise just as functional, far more cost effective, and while being vehicle agnostic … hell, you could use it for a gas generator, too, and have redundant backup.
For example, you could use the same set genny-plug setup if later you **hypothetically** traded your Lightning in for a CT that had a 240v outlet
Not having a 240v would seem such a glaring miss for Tesla, that it leads me to conclude there’s no way they won’t have a 240v outlet
But I *also* do not see them having it in the Frunk. You don’t put your welder in the Frunk.
And I don’t see them offering *only* a 240v in the bed.
So it’s odd this panel is this sized, and seems to be fit for only single gang 120v outlet.
All my fleet Lightnings have the better outlets and they are incredibly useful.a few distinctions:
The Lightning but also certain ICE F150s have Pro Power Onboard, of different kW sizes.
in the ICE F150s, the base is a 2kW system (a pair of 120-volt, three-prong outlets in the bed), then a 2.4kW system exclusive to and standard on the F150 hybrid (a more powerful pair of 120-volt, three-prong outlets in the bed), then finally an optional 7.2kW system for the F150 hybrid (four 120-volt outlets plus a 240-volt outlet). These systems have other outlets elsewhere in the truck, sharing the max power rating - and can run on “generator mode” (idles or. truck is off, but it’ll fire up to charge the hybrid battery running the plugs).
For comparison, a standard RV generator typically produces a maximum of 4kW
In the Lightning, all come with PPO, and at least the 2.4kW system. Pro/XLT have as optional, and Lariat/Platinum standard, a 9.6kW system.
All have four 120V outlets in the frunk, two in the cab, four in the bed, and a 240V in the bed.
in the Lightning, yesSo I'm assuming from your information that 'PPO' is 2.4kW, while the 'top tier PPO' is 9.6kW?
That's very good info. It's good to know the sustained power available as well as demand surge spikes that a system might handle. That test had a good result as 15 miles range used, is not that much for a 5.5 kW sustained power draw. Even many houses are not likely to use that much for a lot of the time, except maybe during peak hours when a stove, hot water heater, dryer, and A/C are possibly running all at once.in the Lightning, yes
To vaguely give a datapoint on one of your earlier questions about how much life you get out of a 9.6kW system:
sinc e you’re obviously more familiar than myself with electricity, you’ll know the 9.6kW is less about providing that steady state as much as allowing overhead for spikes in variable draws
but as for steady state, I saw a test where they monitored battery drain as indicated by milage drop. They plugged in 5 large space heaters on full blast, and then also turned on the heated seats max and interior heater to max - came to a pretty steady state draw of 5.5kW, not counting the drain from the seats/heater
running it like that for an hour, they got a mileage decrease of 15 miles
obviously a steady state draw of 5.5kW is pretty substantial compared to the sort of variable draws you’d get in eg a job site running tools
Counting the features it still has, and l'm running out of fingers. Will it come with 'Abandon Ship' if things turn 'A Boat'?We are forgetting that the bed also needs a compressed air connection for power tools as promised by Elon. This measly power box door shown is too small for a standard 15a two outlet and a compressor connection.
Seems like they are going to have to resolve and revise that between this version and production! Or we might have to add the power tool compressor connection to the list of abandoned features most likely along with the tailgate ramp, sail storage, upper light bar and third seat in front row.
The abandoned features list is sadly growing.