Electric Pickup Truck Range Test to Dead : Cybertruck vs. Lightning, R1T, Silverado (by Out of Spec)

[HaulingAss]

Wow, that was an inaccurate response, but not a bad attempt at putting lipstick on a pig! I'll let you figure out (in time) where your analysis fell off the rails. It's pretty transparent, but I don't blame you, all you had to work with was a Ford Lightning! The fact that it's miles better than my 2010 F-150 XLT 4x4 Supercab is not saying much.

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[HaulingAss]

Wow! It looks like my post about the 1970's Audi Fox vs. the Chevette flew right over your head! They both have roughly the same capabilities, yet the Audi was the superior vehicle, by far. That's why people were willing to pay so much more for it.

The situation is similar between the Cybertruck and the Lightning.

I met a whisky drinker once who swore it was a waste of money to spend $60 on a bottle of single malt scotch when you could get a perfectly good bourbon for half the price (because both had the same amount of alcohol in them). Specs do not tell the whole story.

OK, whatever...If you want to save yourself some money, never, and I mean never, test drive the Cybertruck. Never take it off-roading, never compare the ride at 50 mph on a crappy road and never drive fast on a curvy backcountry road in a Cybertruck. You will thank me for saving you some money, assuming you are OK with all the door dings in your F-150.

 

[FutureTruck]

Same fellas that did the range test are now testing trucks across the country. My back hurts just watching it.

 

[g7bupw9z]

If this is truly what you believe about the software and UI being a wash between Tesla and Ford, then with all due respect, you seem to be in the wrong forum. Perhaps it's best not to embarrass yourself further and reconsider participating in dedicated Cybertruck discussions.

Tesla's software and user experience are generations ahead of legacy automakers like Ford. It's not even in the same stratosphere. Dismissing it as merely on par with CarPlay integration and some physical knobs completely misses the depth of Tesla's vertical software stack.

We're talking about a company that develops its own self-driving AI, neural nets, and tightly integrated mobile software ecosystem from the ground up. Ford is essentially bolting tablet computers to outdated automotive architectures.

The Cybertruck's entire operational paradigm is being rethought around intelligent software unlock tremendous new capabilities. Things like vehicle customization through over-the-air updates, continuous refinement of self-driving, unique video game/entertainment integration, real-time routing and charging advice from the Navigon...the list goes on.

Meanwhile, Ford is still figuring out how to prevent Microsoft Sync from crashing constantly.

So if your main requirements are Apple CarPlay mirroring and having a plastic gear selector stalk to fidget with, then sure - Ford might deliver an adequate "userface." But that completely misses the transformative, unified AI experience Tesla is building across their entire platform.

This isn't about vinyl engine noise immersion modes or trivial dashboard pizzazz. It's computational automobility on an entirely different level. Evaluating it against Ford's tablet navigation is like comparing ISPs by arguing one has a sleeker router design.

Tesla's long-term vision for intelligent, autonomously-operated electric transport is their key differentiator. If you don't recognize the depth of that fundamental architectural divide, then yes - this may simply be the wrong community for you. No embarrassment necessary, but facts are facts.

 

[HaulingAss]

You totally missed the point (again). It was not sales volumes, both models sold in the millions worldwide, with the Audi 80 (Fox in America) outselling the Chevette by a huge margin. More discriminating European buyers did not like the outdated automotive technology of the Chevette.

Since you missed the point, the Chevette was primitive automotive technology when it was introduced, and it finally died due to GM's reluctance to update it to modern standards. The Audi 80 was fuel-injected and had Macpherson strut suspension while the Chevy was still carbureted and used a solid rear axle. While it did use a DOHC engine, it had a heavy cast-iron block and performance and handling suffered. Yes, it was cheap. Yes, it sold OK in America, no, it was not a better car.

Cheaper doesn't mean the Ford Lightning is a better value than the Cybertruck, it just means it's cheaper. In the longer term, Cybertruck pricing will come down as volumes increase. Remember, Ford loses tens of thousands of dollars on every Lightning they sell.

Value cannot be determined solely by the price, but also what it brings to buyers. Personally, I could not live with the Ford Lightning's suspension, interior design, or software, and I would avoid the dealership purchasing experience like the plague.

 

[firsttruck]

At $43k, U.S. & worldwide customers would easily buy 300,000 - 400,000 annually of the current design of Ford Lightning EV but Ford will purposely never make even close to that many annually . Despite being out for two years, shipping that high a volume will NEVER happen with the current design because Ford loses $20K-$30K on each Lightning EV sold.

That is the most important difference between Cybertruck and the competition (Ford Lightning, Rivian R1T/R1S, Chevy Silverado, etc).

Probably in less than a year, Tesla will be profitable on the Cybertruck and the competition will probably still be losing lots of money on each truck even after 3 years in production.
In couple years when Tesla start shipping a $65K Cybertruck, Tesla will make a profit on each while in that same year the competitors (Ford, Rivian, Chevy, etc) will probably all still lose money on a $65K pickup truck (even if it is their newer generation version).

 

[HaulingAss]

 

[firsttruck]

Does Ford Lightning EVs & Mustang EVs have a FSD type option that works for regular city streets (not just big 40-50mph arterial streets ), for unmarked (no two-way center divider lines or no center divider/separator barriers/curbs) city streets, for dirt roads? What is name of this Ford feature?

 

[Cyber Man]

Ford vs Cybertruck!! I think we need to create a separate forum just to debate that topic. Ford Lightning has been my second choice and will always be. It’s a great vehicle, but it can’t even come close to what CT has to offer, at least for my requirements.

@Keeney - it’s not about good vs bad. It’s about which one is better for YOU as an owner. For me, Metal body (and no, it doesn’t scratch or dent like Ford), incredible driving experience, sports car acceleration, secure vault, superior sound system, hospital grade air filters, adjustable suspension, incredible charging network, great software.. the list really is long! I can share so much data points on each of these to show why these features are not just necessary but highly essential going forward. One thing I can always say is don’t look at Cybertruck as of today. Look at the potential it can unlock as software improves. Do you know we just found out that there is an Induction charging hardware compatibility even in the FS models? In fact, CT is so good right now in terms of design and hardware, that many might not upgrade at all for decades. Ford lightning is really good. I have nothing but respect for all the great stuff that’s loaded in the truck. It’s pure work truck, and does that incredibly well. CT wins for me in so many other ways though. Everyone has an opinion, but their opinion is not the universal world for everyone. Everyone has different needs, taste, and preference. CEOs of both companies know that, and that’s why they have so much respect for each other and say good things about both products.

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