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Look this way, 20k for 6 years financing, the total would be 22k, so about 3.7k/year, roughly $300/month. Nowaday, you cannot even get out of Costco with less than $500 spending.
Will pay cash but still opportunity cost vs more Tesla stock, 5% interest in savings, etc....regardless it's ordered so ship has sailed! :cool:
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Does anyone have any evidence FS invitations were ever being sent out in a linear fashion?

Because this is what I see (from Invites tracker thread):
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Seems like one wave, 12/8-9, with each subsequent mini-wave (or promotion) merely filling out nonstarters from the previous.

Multiply by 13 (only 1 in 13 invitees submit in thread above) and we get:
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(as of 2/14)

Meanwhile, ~33-unit daily production rate also seems to match what 66 days seems to have produced so far, roughly 2200 units. So hopefully yesterday's 70 was an attempt at a double.
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FWIW, Troy estimates 27k CTs delivered in 2024. So,if 10k / 15k are FS, we will see a similar number of nonFS this year.
The elephant in the room with that statement is that Troy is just guessing like the rest of us. His guess could be wildly wrong.
 


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But he has a bit of reputation of not being wildly wrong ;)
He has a very limited track record of early production ramps (beyond following the weekly deliveries and adjusting his numbers to suit what is actually happening on the ground). And zero track record predicting the ramp speed of a vehicle as hard to predict as the Cybertruck (due to the fact that it uses so many non-traditional materials and production techniques).

I'm not trying to slam him, I just cautioning that this is uncharted territory for him (as it is for Tesla). Predictions often need to be updated monthly and the cumulative impact over the remaining months of the year could be substantial.
 

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Does anyone have any evidence FS invitations were ever being sent out in a linear fashion?

Because this is what I see (from Invites tracker thread):
1708092016313.png


Seems like one wave, 12/8-9, with each subsequent mini-wave (or promotion) merely filling out nonstarters from the previous.

Multiply by 13 (only 1 in 13 invitees submit in thread above) and we get:
1708093289130.png

(as of 2/14)

Meanwhile, ~33-unit daily production rate also seems to match what 66 days seems to have produced so far, roughly 2200 units. So hopefully yesterday's 70 was an attempt at a double.
A guy in my office got a FS invite three days ago - 2/28.
 

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Does anyone have any evidence FS invitations were ever being sent out in a linear fashion?

Because this is what I see (from Invites tracker thread):
1708092016313.png


Seems like one wave, 12/8-9, with each subsequent mini-wave (or promotion) merely filling out nonstarters from the previous.

Multiply by 13 (only 1 in 13 invitees submit in thread above) and we get:
1708093289130.png

(as of 2/14)

Meanwhile, ~33-unit daily production rate also seems to match what 66 days seems to have produced so far, roughly 2200 units. So hopefully yesterday's 70 was an attempt at a double.
Yet ANOTHER large round of invites going out yesterday and today, looks like, as we said earlier, they are just getting started on FS orders.
 


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He has a very limited track record of early production ramps (beyond following the weekly deliveries and adjusting his numbers to suit what is actually happening on the ground). And zero track record predicting the ramp speed of a vehicle as hard to predict as the Cybertruck (due to the fact that it uses so many non-traditional materials and production techniques).
Actually his early work was in figuring out Model 3 ramp up. His estimates of when any one individual would get 3 was quite good - including mine.
 

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Actually his early work was in figuring out Model 3 ramp up. His estimates of when any one individual would get 3 was quite good - including mine.
If you recall, he had to update his estimates frequently, sometimes as often as within a week, when new information came to light. At the start of production, in the middle of 2017, he did not accurately predict 2018 production numbers, he kept updating his estimate to reflect new observations as the ramp progressed.

That's why I'm taking issue with your claim that he can reliably predict 2024 Cybertruck production ramp, 9 months in advance. He has no track record of being able to do that reliably, and certainly not on a vehicle as difficult to guess as Cybertruck.
 

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That's why I'm taking issue with your claim that he can reliably predict 2024 Cybertruck production ramp, 9 months in advance. He has no track record of being able to do that reliably, and certainly not on a vehicle as difficult to guess as Cybertruck.
LOL. No I'm not claiming he can see the future - because given all the uncertainties that is what you need to be able to do to predict accurately. He has the track record of analyzing available fuzzy data and coming up with reasonable estimates. Since his estimates are data dependent they change as more data is available.

Put it another way - even Tesla doesn't "know" how many they are going to produce.

But the current forecast is ~30k. While that may not turn out to be correct - thats the best estimate we have now. So, given that - I'd say it is likely we'll see non-FS sold this year.
 

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LOL. No I'm not claiming he can see the future - because given all the uncertainties that is what you need to be able to do to predict accurately.
To be absolutely clear, you did imply Troy can see the future accurately when you wrote this:

FWIW, Troy estimates 27k CTs delivered in 2024. So,if 10k / 15k are FS, we will see a similar number of nonFS this year.
That is an if/then statement of logic, and it implies Troy can see the future. And you followed that up citing your belief in the accuracy of his previous predictions.

I'm glad you have come around and now admit that even Tesla doesn't know how many they will make this year, and that Troy's estimates cannot see the future any better. Tesla management has a better idea than Troy, and even they don't have that good of an idea. Troy's long-term estimates require frequent updates and his long-term estimates have not been very accurate. He claims accuracy by always citing his most recent estimate, the one right before actual results are released. Not estimates made a year out. And the uniqueness of the Cybertruck increases the liklihood and probable magnitude of inaccuracy in long-term estimates, even those made by Tesla themselves.
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