Leaked interior Cybertruck photo!

[CyberGus]

You gotta thing for dashboards

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[HaulingAss]

Nothing personal, but your views seem out of touch and hopelessly optimistic when it comes to legacy auto making competitive EV trucks. Right now it is Ford that has no competition and they are still losing 10's of thousands of dollars on every Lightning they make.

Cybertruck is going to change that because Tesla will be able to make it so cheaper. Said more simply, you're going to get a LOT more for your money with the Cybertruck even though Tesla will also be making a good profit when they hit volume production.

If the new EV's coming to market were being sold with Tesla like margins and in Tesla like volumes, then we could say the competition is heating up. But currently, Tesla's biggests competition is themselves. Because they keep making EV's in higher and higher volumes, and lower and lower costs and no one else is poised to compete. They even increased production right through 2020, 2021 and 2022, a time when COVID was bring other automakers to their knees.

I've been saying this for 5 years, and I'll keep saying it, "The competition is NOT coming". It never was. It was a fake story because legacy auto is structurally unable to produce any vehicles at a good value, profitably. And the profitability part is important because unprofitable vehicles cannot be manufactured in high volume without running the company into the ground.

 

[Setok]

The simplified wiring harness and 48v architecture is part of what makes Tesla products superior. No stalks are going to be part of this. Tesla will have a superior product performance and price wise. Ford and Ram will rely on buttons and old school mentality to maintain a market share presence.

Having two bloody stalks has almost zero impact on the 48V architecture and a lack of them would not suddenly make the platform superior. How do I know? The Model 3 I drove for two years had stalks and would have been an inferior product without.

VW has recently backtracked on not having physical buttons due to consumer demand. They will be reintroducing buttons.

 

[Crissa]

VW has recently backtracked on not having physical buttons due to consumer demand. They will be reintroducing buttons.

VW backtracked because their UI was a mess.

-Crissa

 

[Setok]

VW backtracked because their UI was a mess.

-Crissa

It is, but that has nothing to do with the dislike people have for their touch sensitive buttons on the steering wheel and elsewhere.

 

[cvalue13]

I've been saying this for 5 years, and I'll keep saying it, "The competition is NOT coming"

So who builds the rest of the vehicles in the world?

Still unknown auto manufacturers that dont yet exist?

Or do you think instead the world is full of teslas and only teslas?

 

[Deleted member 17810]

So who builds the rest of the vehicles in the world?

Still unknown auto manufacturers that dont yet exist?

Or do you think instead the world is full of teslas and only teslas?

If I'm right ( i'm always right)

The CT platform is gonna wreak havoc on ford and chevy contracts for fleet vehicles.

The castings show how flexible it is.

Spoiler

I want my two seater

 

[cvalue13]

The CT platform is gonna wreak havoc on ford and chevy contracts for fleet vehicles.

deeply skeptical of this, at least anytime soon

will there be some fleet use cases? Sure. Is the CT as currently understood seemingly capable of “wreaking havoc” on fleet pickup sales?

lots of either known or seeming qualities of the CT cut deeply against material segments of fleet buy preferences


• no 6th/bench seat (and for related reasons, possibly no true fifth/back seat)
• no cab-only/chassis-only options
• no HD versions
• few local/rural service centers - or ability for companies to have their own service centers/parts
• far as I know, Tesla has no true fleet and fleet management systems or fleet support business segment

basically, all truck fleet segments requiring 350/3500+ trucks, chassis-only trucks, are out - that’s a significant portion of truck fleet

after that, as far as 150/1500 and possibly 250/2500 use cases, also out for that time being are fleet segments requiring in-house maintenance facilities and/or sophisticated fleet management business unit support -Tesla could develop these further but in near term?

a remaining variable will be the internal hip/shoulder dimensions and resulting interior space. We don’t know these yet. But there’s just as much evidence that it’ll be large as there is that it will be smaller than competitive full-sized trucks.

which means that, at present, seems premature to conclude CT can “wreak havoc” on fleet sales.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

deeply skeptical of this, at least anytime soon

will there be some fleet use cases? Sure. Is the CT as currently understood seemingly capable of “wreaking havoc” on fleet pickup sales?

lots of either known or seeming qualities of the CT cut deeply against material segments of fleet buy preferences


• no 6th/bench seat (and for related reasons, possibly no true fifth/back seat)
• no cab-only/chassis-only options
• no HD versions
• few local/rural service centers - or ability for companies to have their own service centers/parts
• far as I know, Tesla has no true fleet and fleet management systems or fleet support business segment

basically, all truck fleet segments requiring 350/3500+ trucks, chassis-only trucks, are out - that’s a significant portion of truck fleet

after that, as far as 150/1500 and possibly 250/2500 use cases, also out for that time being are fleet segments requiring in-house maintenance facilities and/or sophisticated fleet management business unit support -Tesla could develop these further but in near term?

a remaining variable will be the internal hip/shoulder dimensions and resulting interior space. We don’t know these yet. But there’s just as much evidence that it’ll be large as there is that it will be smaller than competitive full-sized trucks.

which means that, at present, seems premature to conclude CT can “wreak havoc” on fleet sales.

Once again you're wrong.

The exo setup for the CT can be pulled back without affecting too much capacity.

Thats what's under that weirdly shapley blanket.

 

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[Rutrow]

I was hoping someone else would notice but where in the FK is the trailer brake controller?
It better not be on the screen

The CyberTruck should be considered by its designers as a tow vehicle. It should come standard with a factory installed Class V receiver hitch and brake controller. Since a tow vehicle needs an intuitive, easily accessible in an emergency manual brake controller, and since lining up a tow hitch and positioning a trailer often requires a lot of forward and backwards adjustments, I want to urge Tesla to provide stalks in the CyberTruck.

I think a right stalk that shifts from forward to reverse like 3, Y, and legacy S & X and incorporates trailer braking by pulling backwards toward the steering wheel would fit this bill. Training drivers to activate trailer brakes in a way very similar to the front brake lever on a motorcycle would be a natural and reflexive action even in a panic.

The forward and backwards action of the stalk could be used as trailer gain controls when in park or if a center screen trailer gain setting has been selected. I'd really rather not have to have an aftermarket controller ruining the aesthetics of my dash.

 

[Rutrow]

[Ahhhhhh, nostalgia]

Bat out of Hell was the only 8-track tape my carpool to/from high school for two years had, connected to a radio deck that had a broken antenna. There was about a 3 minute stretch of road where we could get good enough radio signal to listen any other music, the rest of the trip was Meatloaf on constant rotation. Everyone in the car could perfectly mirror the baseball play by play section of Paradise by the Dashboard Light.

BTW, the car had no A/C. ?

 

[HaulingAss]

It is, but that has nothing to do with the dislike people have for their touch sensitive buttons on the steering wheel and elsewhere.

People dislike not having buttons because it's what they are familiar with. My wife and I have been driving Model 3's for over 5 years and the lack of buttons was only noticeable for the first few days. Since then, no problem. We rarely use the touchscreen for much of anything because we don't have to.

I've never used a voice recognition system that had nearly 100% success until getting the Tesla. Even when I butcher the word due to a brainfart, it will often get it correct. It's uncanny. I don't have to talk slowly or unnaturally either, I just spit it out and it adjusts the temperature or navigates to a new destination seamlessly.

Those who don't want to change might have a problem. I find it a better way of doing things. It frees up my mind from having to figure out what to press, turn or slide and voice commands offer a much richer navigation experience compared to manual buttons. Yes, it's different. If you adopt it, you will find out it's different because it's better.

VW has nothing like this.

 

[Setok]

People dislike not having buttons because it's what they are familiar with. My wife and I have been driving Model 3's for over 5 years and the lack of buttons was only noticeable for the first few days. Since then, no problem. We rarely use the touchscreen for much of anything because we don't have to.

I've never used a voice recognition system that had nearly 100% success until getting the Tesla. Even when I butcher the word due to a brainfart, it will often get it correct. It's uncanny. I don't have to talk slowly or unnaturally either, I just spit it out and it adjusts the temperature or navigates to a new destination seamlessly.

Those who don't want to change might have a problem. I find it a better way of doing things. It frees up my mind from having to figure out what to press, turn or slide and voice commands offer a much richer navigation experience compared to manual buttons. Yes, it's different. If you adopt it, you will find out it's different because it's better.

VW has nothing like this.

I’ll be honest, you sound like a fanboy. Besides, the Model 3 has stalks. Exactly what we are asking for. And the lack of physical wiper control has caused me personally several very hairy moments.

I never use voice recognition because: it sucks at recognising my accent, because it means having to interrupt music, and because I just don’t like to speak out unnecessarily when driving and contemplating stuff. I’m happy the voice works for you, but I personally never use it.

Editing to say, in case it’s not clear, I’m not asking for a return to zillions of buttons. But essentials that are needed to control the vehicle and key functions while driving. Those should be physical controls that can be operated without looking at them and things like direction being quick and easy to operate while towing and moving back and forth.

 

[HaulingAss]

I’ll be honest, you sound like a fanboy. Besides, the Model 3 has stalks. Exactly what we are asking for. And the lack of physical wiper control has caused me personally several very hairy moments.

I never use voice recognition because: it sucks at recognising my accent, because it means having to interrupt music, and because I just don’t like to speak out unnecessarily when driving and contemplating stuff. I’m happy the voice works for you, but I personally never use it.

I am a fanboy and I have a lot of company.

Products this good always have a lot of fans. That is a good thing, not a negative. Do you remember the Pontiac Aztek? It had a very tiny fan base and there's a reason for that! Tiny wheels and tires, high center of gravity, under-powered, large amounts of plastic cladding, terrible build quality, it is largely credited with helping bankrupt Pontiac. It's not a good thing when your products don't inspire fans.

The goal is to have as many fanboys as possible and the way to achieve that is to build affordable products that are superior to to the status quo.

By the way, I don't see how a lack of a physical wiper control could have caused you hairy moments considering there is a physical wiper control on the end of the left stalk. It sounds like you just don't know how to use it. Most of my driving is in the mountains of Western Washington where it rains a lot. I get splashed by on-coming big rigs, slush, sand, chlorides, you name it. The wipers work great if you know how to use them.

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