Non-foundation vs foundation range, new battery?

[500 EPA miles]

Has anyone figured out why the non-foundation is sold with less range? Was there a physical change or is this just a 2025 rating thing? I noticed many other models are getting reduced EPA ranges listed as well, like S plaid. Given that cybertruck still isn't on fueleconomy.gov, I see than S plaid seems to change (mostly for the worse) every year?

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[ABILISK]

They constantly adjust their ratings. I’d think anyone with a Raven would know that. You (and your username) should troll someplace else.

 

[Tommytuna]

I am more interested in the battery chemistry question - are they using the dry cathode in NonFS yet?

 

[TTP222]

I am more interested in the battery chemistry question - are they using the dry cathode in NonFS yet?

I'm hoping we get an answer to that on the next earnings call. They were testing the Cybertruck with the new dry cathode battery back in August.

Maybe by the end of the first quarter in 2025 which would be 6+ months after first testing.

 

[scottf200]

Has anyone figured out why the non-foundation is sold with less range? Was there a physical change or is this just a 2025 rating thing? I noticed many other models are getting reduced EPA ranges listed as well, like S plaid. Given that cybertruck still isn't on fueleconomy.gov, I see than S plaid seems to change (mostly for the worse) every year?

Referring to the red? 4.4% is nothing to sneeze at if you are road tripping and trying to skip supercharges.

 

[carsly]

EPA numbers are only directionally useful. I pull 3+ mi/kwh on my AWD in hot and mild conditions for 350+ miles of real- world range on all-terrains.

 

[Macgreiner]

They constantly adjust their ratings. I’d think anyone with a Raven would know that. You (and your username) should troll someplace else.

Keeping it classy /s

 

[500 EPA miles]

Referring to the red?

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[500 EPA miles]

EPA numbers are only directionally useful. I pull 3+ mi/kwh on my AWD in hot and mild conditions for 350+ miles of real- world range on all-terrains.

I'd like to do 300 miles in 15F weather at 80-85mph. This roundtrip from Boston to Wildcat/Attitash mountain. I'm going to call this the "troll's journey" given my first reply.

 

[carsly]

I'd like to do 300 miles in 15F weather at 80-85mph. This roundtrip from Boston to Wildcat/Attitash mountain. I'm going to call this the "troll's journey" given my first reply.

You should be using a gasser in that case, not really a great use case for any EV right now.

 

[Model3Guy]

I'm hoping we get an answer to that on the next earnings call. They were testing the Cybertruck with the new dry cathode battery back in August.

Maybe by the end of the first quarter in 2025 which would be 6+ months after first testing.

Summer/fall of this year (2024), Elon said that all the Cybertrucks would have the dry cathode battery by the end of 2024.

 

[scottf200]

EPA numbers are only directionally useful. I pull 3+ mi/kwh on my AWD in hot and mild conditions for 350+ miles of real- world range on all-terrains.

Can you give a rough start and end point along with general speed. I'd like to map that in ABRP to see how that is possible and if I have similar drives to those that I take.

FYI, on top 100 drives (50 each model) in TeslaFI-COM

 

[scottf200]

Summer/fall of this year (2024), Elon said that all the Cybertrucks would have the dry cathode battery by the end of 2024.

Title: Confirmed: Tesla Built the First Cybertruck Using Dry Cathode 4680 Cells
Published: 1 Aug 2024,
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...ruck-using-dry-cathode-4680-cells-237891.html

A week ago, drone footage showed a unique black-wrapped Cybertruck in a parking lot at Giga Texas. A couple of hours later, Bonne Eggleston, Senior director of Tesla's 4680 team, confirmed the Cybertruck was the first EV powered by Tesla's new dry cathode 4680 cells. On July 31, Cole Otto, senior manufacturing engineer for 4680 cell development, announced that Tesla had started vehicle testing using dry cathode cells. This is an important milestone, paving the way toward the manufacturing costs breakthrough that Tesla promised during the 2020 Battery Day.

Although this will allow Tesla to save tons of money in 4680 cell production, it doesn't mean it will immediately pass those savings to customers. Nor does it mean that dry electrode 4680 cells perform better than those built using the wet coating process. In fact, it's more likely that the first batches will suffer from teething problems until Tesla hones the new manufacturing process.

 

[500 EPA miles]

Can you give a rough start and end point along with general speed. I'd like to map that in ABRP to see how that is possible and if I have similar drives to those that I take.

FYI, on top 100 drives (50 each model) in TeslaFI-COM

Cambridgeside Pl, Cambridge, MA, United States
Waypoint: Munroe's Family Restaurant, 633 RT 3 S, Twin Mountain, NH 03595, United States
Wildcat Mountain, Jackson, NH 03846, United States

15mph wind/15F/112% speed

You have to set the waypoint otherwise it will attempt to have you drive backroads for most of the trip, and it's super annoying especially during snow, and also Kancamagus highway is closed during the winter, ABRP doesn't know that. Right now ABRP says this is 166kWh 436Wh/mi in a Cyberbeast, no f-ing way that's correct. "Cyberbeast range extender" says 199kWh 521Wh/mi, this seems more plausible, but I think probably still low. I see people posting winter numbers in the 600-700 range on X, and that would be my guesstimate based on my experience with the S.

I've done this drive many times in the S. Given weather and wind, expect anywhere from 55-80% efficiency - although 80% will be spring skiing after driving on dry roads.

 

[carsly]

Can you give a rough start and end point along with general speed. I'd like to map that in ABRP to see how that is possible and if I have similar drives to those that I take.

FYI, on top 100 drives (50 each model) in TeslaFI-COM

Wide range of conditions. Here were my first 10 weeks and 1,400 miles in my AWD, 333 Wh/mi in the midst of a very hot NJ summer. The current drive was a regular trip I take to the NJ shore, at 306 Wh/mi. for 69 miles each way. It's pretty flattish, but it was hot as you can see the temp in the corner. Avg speeds were probably in the 35-45mph range yielding 3.26 mi/kwh.

I also have a regular 100 mile loop - 50 out and 50 back - I end up taking to visit my son at college. That's pretty much always 17-18% of the battery each way. Speeds can hit 80mph for long stretches of that journey and I probably average 60mph if not more. Call it 35% for the round-trip x 108kwh usable capacity = 38kwh (rounding up) for the 100 mi so 2.65 mi/kwh. Big efficiency loss due to the higher average speeds.

I'll add I always keep cold tire pressures at 50psi, even having them at 47psi makes a noticeable difference which I found surprising.

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