New Cybertruck video clip (from Cyber Rodeo 2022). Shows tail lights & reverse lights

[Ogre]

All good for those who can hear, but those who can't, depending on this one safety cue is not sufficient. Multiple forms of warning are the best prevention!

It will have any/ all measures required/ legally plus it engages automatic emergency braking if the car detects a pedestrian with its cameras.

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[Crissa]

For those worried about backing into a pedestrian because they won't be alerted by beams of light. Teslas (like all EVs) makes a loud whirring Jetson's noise when backing up. Don't worry, folks won't be runnin' over each other on purpose.

Reversing sounds are dumb, and their safety is generally associated with selection bias.

-Crissa

 

[Cybertruck Hawaii]

throwcomputer is absolutely right. These Reverse lights are all wrong. The issue isnt the brightness - no car has ever had stock back up lights that are ‘blinding’. The problem is placement, they are nicely tucked in a cove on the bumper. The light will be directed in a narrow beam behind the truck. There will be no light to the sides, you will not be able to see anything on the sides of your rear end and backing out of a parking space, cars in the travel lanes of a parking lot, perpendicular to you, will not know your intention to back up until they are directly behind you as they pass you. Note to self: plan to add auxiliary back up lighting.

?Amazon sales of auxiliary reverse lights will be in demand when the Cybertruck is in production.

 

[Cybertruck Hawaii]

You are parked front into parking spot in a packed parking lot at the mall, trying to back out of the spot as you are leaving. Random family of parents with two kids are walking up the aisle perpendicular to you, flush up against your side of the aisle. You put it in reverse to back out, none of that family walking up past you can tell you are in reverse and starting to back up just as they walk in front of you, because the reverse lights are tucked into the plate alcove they have no line of sight for. You can't see them because they're is a van parked next to you. Who loses in this situation? Don't give me any "fsd will save me crap" cause you cannot depend on fsd being active in every CT at every moment like this. And even if you have a rear facing camera that you might see them coming, you are not 100% attentive or able to notice everything every time. Those reverse lights are there to give everyone around you the best possible chance to know what you are doing and act accordingly in the event that you don't notice them. Take one safety feature away and that's when the bad stuff starts happening more often. Try telling the FAA that it's ok to slack on one safety regulation and see where that leads to.

You gonna tell me that those reverse lights are acceptably placed for this situation? I can think of plenty of other situations to prove those reverse lights are poorly placed and terribly thought out. These safety regulations built into vehicles are there for very specific reasons as a result of mistakes over time that can be more easily prevented through these design features.

?You could also yell to “make way” to the people behind you as you are moving backwards. Amazon also sells megaphones.

 

[Cybertruck Hawaii]

Most 18 wheelers have their reverse lights tucked way from people walking on the side of the truck. That’s why we are required to use the horn before proceeding to back up. I learned that in CDL class.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Looks like old footage from the Rodeo.

That is true but it does show the bed nicely as well as the rear bumper.

 

[intimidator]

Definitely no rear steering on this one.

It is likely older footage, but I don‘t think I’ve seen this particular clip before.

It is striking how sharp the folds on the truck are. They don’t look like bends so much as sharp, crisp angles.

I wonder if there will be any last minute engineering changes as they try to actual build this shape with Gigapresses and the rest of the tooling. Hope we see a new test Alpha mule in the spring.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I’m referring to the contraption hanging below the bumper, reducing an otherwise average departure angle to that of a car.

Tesla advertised the departure angle so the bumper will take that into consideration. Tesla always delivers better than its unveiling prototypes.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I wonder if there will be any last minute engineering changes as they try to actual build this shape with Gigapresses and the rest of the tooling. Hope we see a new test Alpha mule in the spring.

They are building betas now, as mentioned at the quarterly meeting.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

You are parked front into parking spot in a packed parking lot at the mall, trying to back out of the spot as you are leaving. Random family of parents with two kids are walking up the aisle perpendicular to you, flush up against your side of the aisle. You put it in reverse to back out, none of that family walking up past you can tell you are in reverse and starting to back up just as they walk in front of you, because the reverse lights are tucked into the plate alcove they have no line of sight for. You can't see them because they're is a van parked next to you. Who loses in this situation? Don't give me any "fsd will save me crap" cause you cannot depend on fsd being active in every CT at every moment like this. And even if you have a rear facing camera that you might see them coming, you are not 100% attentive or able to notice everything every time. Those reverse lights are there to give everyone around you the best possible chance to know what you are doing and act accordingly in the event that you don't notice them. Take one safety feature away and that's when the bad stuff starts happening more often. Try telling the FAA that it's ok to slack on one safety regulation and see where that leads to.

You gonna tell me that those reverse lights are acceptably placed for this situation? I can think of plenty of other situations to prove those reverse lights are poorly placed and terribly thought out. These safety regulations built into vehicles are there for very specific reasons as a result of mistakes over time that can be more easily prevented through these design features.

The turn signal and backup lights on the tail gate will illuminate very well. Although I cannot quote chapter and verse I am certain that there are requirements for all lighting systems and that this criticism is probably unnecessary.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Reversing sounds are dumb, and their safety is generally associated with selection bias.

-Crissa

Argue with the NHTSA.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Looks like no rear steer.

And yet you know it’s there…

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

That light bar at the rear really looks awful compared to the OG one.

I suspect that the light bar has different settings.

 

[Throwcomputer]

The turn signal and backup lights on the tail gate will illuminate very well. Although I cannot quote chapter and verse I am certain that there are requirements for all lighting systems and that this criticism is probably unnecessary.

(e) Backup lamps must be mounted on the rear so that the optical center of at least one lamp is visible from any eye point elevation from at least 1828 mm (6 ft) to 610 mm (2 ft) above the horizontal plane on which the vehicle is standing; and from any position in the area, rearward of a vertical plane perpendicular to the longitudinal axis of the vehicle, 914 mm (3 ft) to the rear of the vehicle and extending 914 mm (3 ft) beyond each side of the vehicle.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2004-title49-vol5/xml/CFR-2004-title49-vol5-sec571-108.xml

Doesn't seem to pass this requirement... Specifically the last one seems at least from that one clip they might be pushing the boundaries of visibility requirements by just barely meeting that, if at all.

I'm only commenting on what was shown in that video. They very well could be designing the finished product appropriately, and what we see in this video is just plate lights that a software designer thought to add reverse light functionality to.

 

[Sonic]

Most likely it will be active every time you drive.

This old video is from a prototype which likely doesn’t have rear steer at all. These things were hand build and are missing final features. One lacks a rear window and a couple of them seem to lack the sliding vault cover.

Pretty sure this is the same prototype at Cyber Rodeo, which had rear wheel steering. Must be a feature which can be toggled on/off?

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