TFL Says the Cybertruck Will Flop

[HAL GALLUS]

Basically, they believe Tesla hasn't said or shown anything to believe. They think Tesla won't have high CT sales because, reasons. They also think Ford will make their Lightning 150k goal, and the CT is too late. ?






I'll say it again-When the CT comes out, so many doubters will be eating crow you'll think it's the new chicken. I can't wait to hear what they say when the inevitable finally happens.

Have these naysayers benn living under a rock or what

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[HAL GALLUS]

Thanks @Crissa for covering all the same arguments I had with the video. Not only did you get to it first, but you also are a way better wordsmith than I am.

One thing I'd like to elaborate on is they talked about how popular trucks are, but then use the argument that farmers won't like it. Farmers are not the reason trucks are so popular in the US. From my perspective, most (almost all) people I know who drive pickup trucks use them as grocery getters, Home Depot runs, hauling the kids and their hockey equipment to the ice rink and as their daily commuter. Look at an office building parking lot during the work week in Texas or the Midwest and count the truck to car ratio. My CT will be my primary (and only) vehicle. I am not a farmer, construction worker, plumber etc. Since Covid I've been working from home (Have been to the office 5 times in the last ~2 years). If / when I do go back. It's main purpose will be to bring me to the office building where I work.

I was also annoyed about how they went on about how we don't care how trucks handle and implied nobody wants to buy a truck that handles like a car. That argument had been proven false back in the 80's. They started putting softer better suspension on trucks and you would hear people complement their new trucks saying "Wow, it's a truck, but it rides like a car". The RAM pickup didn't get Luxury Vehicle of the year because it "rode like a truck".

Minor point, my CT will be making runs to the gas station to fill up my gas can. I tried electric lawn mowers about 10 years ago and had poor results. I'm sure the new ones will suit my needs and I will try to switch back to electric when my Toro dies. Still haven't seen a decent (10HP or larger equivalent with min. of 30 inch clearing width) sized two stage electric snow blower to replace the gas one I have. I also have a gas leaf blower. I have a 5 gallon can and I need to fill it up less than twice a year. I probably fill it up 3 times in a 2 year period.

Try the EGO snow blower.

 

[jerhenderson]

Try the EGO snow blower.

TFL are clearly morons then.

 

[ÆCIII]

TFL is widely respected and done a lot on EVs including Rivian, Ford and Tesla. So not sure where this”fear” is coming from.

Their tests and summaries seem very fair and unbiased.

Their content I saw earlier more than a year ago or more, seemed very biased and not friendly to Tesla at all, so I stopped looking at their channel since then. If they've changed or put out a lot more objective content since then, I may have to give them another look.

But if they are thinking the Cybertruck will flop or are pushing such a narrative in hopes they can turn off prospective buyers for the CT, I believe they are going to be disappointed.

-ÆCIII

 

[Crissa]

This is one article, and it was very bad.

-Crissa

 

[TBONO]

Their content I saw earlier more than a year ago or more, seemed very biased and not friendly to Tesla at all, so I stopped looking at their channel since then. If they've changed or put out a lot more objective content since then, I may have to give them another look.

But if they are thinking the Cybertruck will flop or are pushing such a narrative in hopes they can turn off prospective buyers for the CT, I believe they are going to be disappointed.

-ÆCIII

Yes, I agree with you on this. They will be disappointed as if a flop means 1 million units sold, that’s not a flop. I think the Pontiac Aztec sold somewhere around 120,000 units.

So I think they’re taking the narrative way too far.
However, their points about how little is known officially about CT including production timelines is the basis of their shade.

 

[Coolbreeze704]

Pretty Sure TFL said in 1983 that the Caravan was going to be a flop.

 

[Ogre]

I think I said this a few pages back. But the video makes a bunch of assumptions which if they prove true would result in the Cybertruck flopping. But those assumptions seem to start with the idea that Tesla and Musk are idiots and build off of that.

 

[Diehard]

As far as I know no one is making any EV truck they can’t sell and Tesla has never made an EV it could not sell. So going on the record saying it will be a flop was probably just something they decided Is worth the click. I am not sure if they believe it.

 

[Ogre]

As far as I know no one is making any EV truck they can’t sell and Tesla has never made an EV it could not sell. So going on the record saying it will be a flop was probably just something they decided Is worth the click. I am not sure if they believe it.

I don’t care a ton if they are idiots or liars, I don’t want to watch their channel in either case.

 

[Diehard]

You are agreeing with yourself now?

Don’t knock it down. Some of the deepest conversation I have had was with myself. That is how confidence is born; telling myself repeatedly how right I am. With enough repetition others will start believing it and before you know it, I will be president of a company or a country. Wait a minute, why am I telling you all this when I could be talking to myself instead. Gotta go….

 

[SolarWizard]

Their content I saw earlier more than a year ago or more, seemed very biased and not friendly to Tesla at all, so I stopped looking at their channel since then. If they've changed or put out a lot more objective content since then, I may have to give them another look.

But if they are thinking the Cybertruck will flop or are pushing such a narrative in hopes they can turn off prospective buyers for the CT, I believe they are going to be disappointed.

-ÆCIII

Theyve purchased no less than 3 teslas previously.
If thats “not friendly” aka objective then I don’t know what to tell you

 

[Crissa]

Theyve purchased no less than 3 teslas previously.
If thats “not friendly” aka objective then I don’t know what to tell you

Whether they bought them or not doesn't mean they were objective.

That article A was objective doesn't mean article B will be. Or was.

-Crissa

 

[Diehard]

Whether they bought them or not doesn't mean they were objective.

That article A was objective doesn't mean article B will be. Or was.

-Crissa

Even if they genuinely meant what they said which is this is not a real truck so it will not sell is flawed as an argument. Rivian is not as practical as Lightning as a truck but it is selling and excelling in some regards (highway efficiency, off road capability, …) which makes it more attractive to many buyers who may not be the typical truck owners. What they don’t consider is the total package. For some truck buyers it will not do for the reasons they mentioned. If someone has to load and unload something in the bed from the side of the truck everyday, they will get something else. But most truck buyers including me, do that once in a while but most if not all get on the road every time they use their truck and if the shape of the truck along with faster and more reliable charging get them to their destination with less headaches, they will find a way to deal with loading inconvenience. It is the total ownership experience for every individual that determines if it will be a flop or a success. These guys picked specific checkboxes they consider important and assume that applies to the entire truck market. Until CT is actually out in sufficient numbers and folks from different segment of population react to it, all these opinions are pulled mostly from people’s shall I say hats. We just have to wait and see how much of what kind of people will find what features something they can’t live without and what they can’t live with. I know my list of priorities has changed a bit in the past month alone.

 

[ÆCIII]

Theyve purchased no less than 3 teslas previously.
If thats “not friendly” aka objective then I don’t know what to tell you

When you have money, purchasing sample units for evaluation or dissection doesn't always mean 'friendly'. Daimler Benz also stated they would be purchasing a Semi when available to tear down because they don't believe it's within the laws of physics, and they are definitely not doing this as a 'friendly' or neutral endeavor. Buying sample units doesn't verify objectivity or friendly intent.

But it could be they are being objective with neutral motives and as I did note in previous posts I've not seen their content recently, so I may have to check them out.

About five years ago when Munro Associates first became known to me I didn't think their tear-downs of the Model 3 were particularly 'friendly' either. But they were being objective and in the years since their integrity became strongly apparent as they've always been reliable, accurate, and consistent.

With Sandy Monroe and his team producing accurate thoroughly supported content, I really haven't had to look much further for evaluations of technical quality, functionality, or scalability.

Legacy auto is in trouble because for decades their business model has included the heavy parasitic baggage of dealer associations and the media, instead of just the focus on car substance and innovation. Many of the so-called review firms are nothing more than advertising infomercial outlets for legacy auto, and are also connected to the dealer associations and media.

If I look at anyone purporting to be an evaluation firm, the smell test will be whether or not they are overlooking the major flaws in legacy auto's business model. No matter how 'good', or 'cool' some feature is hyped up to be, if legacy auto needs dealers and media to push it - then that feature, accessory, or core system of a car could have been significantly better or significantly cheaper. Munro doesn't talk about this business model aspect specifically much, but he does put the writing on the wall about their manufacturing which really should tell them they need to be shedding that excess parasitic business model baggage - if they are being honest with themselves.

- ÆCIII

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