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[beeeasybro]

Unveil day will be this Summer! Stoked to really see them on the road AND of course DRIVE IT!!
who ever shoots it with a 9mm… you HAVE to record it and post that shit!

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[Deleted member 17810]

I think the bed is larger than you think.

Uh. Perspective.

 

[cvalue13]

I think the 5 seats came from someone with, “ I know a guy who said so”. I will believe it when I see it. At this point it needs as many features as possible to stay ahead of the competition.

The truck on view at investor day absolutely had only five, not 6, seats.

So, the Tesla employee assigned to monitor (and converse about) that truck with invited investors was accurately describing the truck in front of him.

 

[cvalue13]

Uh. Perspective.

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[charliemagpie]

60" is a good call...
using the lightbar as 36" benchmark
https://imagemeasurement.online/image/select

 

[Ogre]

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Giant tower. Clearly the woman is about 5’ 4” tall and the tower is about 9 feet tall.

 

[the43k]

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I get your point, but do you think standing 4 feet away and having a reasonable estimation of the size of the light is a great analogy. And BTW, both objects are at the same location.

 

[the43k]

60" is a good call...
using the lightbar as 36" benchmark
https://imagemeasurement.online/image/select

Can you try the same thing using 30"?

 

[Ogre]

I’ve seen 32 inch light bars…

 

[the43k]

I’ve seen 32 inch light bars…

Thanks.. that would fall in the middle of my two estimates.. Thanks

 

[ÆCIII]

The top 'button' is not a button at all, but is a cover for an attachment mount point. This is a left side picture, but the right side only has the top (attachment mount point), and no recessed control. There is also an identical attachment mount point further up the sails, and then another one just behind the peak of the rear cab on each side as well.

The integrated tonneau open/close control and tailgate release, is only at the driver side rear.

- ÆCIII

 

[Cyberman]

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I really agree. And I don't understand why I keep getting all these ads for BDSM & tying up porn sites! It was just one time, and we were all drunk! Sheez.

 

[cvalue13]

I get your point, but do you think standing 4 feet away and having a reasonable estimation of the size of the light is a great analogy. And BTW, both objects are at the same location.

Not quite right at all. Your calculations are wrong for two reasons, and I’m happy to be clear why.

• First, you misunderstand perspective and measuring in photographs. I’ll show you why below. Using your assumed 36” light, I’ll show you how your methodology, corrected for perspective, says the bed is close to 4’ wide between wheel wells.

• Second, you misunderstand the point and ‘problem’ of the idea that “the CyberTruck as a 4’ wide bed” and so when you arrive at a clearly erroneous conclusion that the CT bed between wheel wells could be >61” you don’t realize your answer is nonsensical and so must mean your methodology is errored.

MISS-UNDERSTANDING PERSPECTIVE:

• ASSUME 36” LIGHT: Let’s start by agreeing for present purposes to your assumptions about the light’s width of 36”. In truth, these sorts of pixel tube lights for photography and stage lighting are available all manner of lengths. Professional lighting teams can have them made to any custom sizes they want. But let’s ignore that for now and accept your 36” assumption.

• ASSUME LIGHT IS CENTERED UNDER TRUCK: Let’s also agree that pixel light is centered, side-to-side, under the truck. (I’ll assume I don’t have to defend that assumption for obvious reasons.) But noting that the light is centered under the truck is important later in the work.

• DETERMINE LIGHT’S DISTANCE FROM CAMERA: Let’s next determine where the light is sitting, in distance from the camera. That’s important to determine because the photo has distortion from near field to far, as can be seen from this:

In the above photo, the yellow lines are all the exact same length. Conversely, the green lines are different lengths, but the tailgate itself is a rectangle and the same width front to back.

Perspective!

Accordingly, to use the width of the light as a ‘measuring stick’ for the width of the truck, it is remotely accurate only if the ‘measuring stick’ is used to measure the plane of the truck that is the exact same distance from the camera as the ‘measuring stick.’

So, relative to the distance of the camera,, where is the light sitting in respect to the truck? From this photo we can see it is sitting just forward of the rear wheel well (from the camera’s perspective):

Let’s call it being about right here, where the red arrow is pointing. (I actually think it could be a few inches further but I’m erroring in your favor.)

• ‘MEASURE‘ THE TRUCK AT THE SAME DISTANCE FROM THE CAMERA:

In the photo below, the blue line over the light is identical in length to the red line in the truck bed - which line in the truck bed is directly ‘above’ the light on the ground (and so both the same distance from the camera).

USE THE MEASURING STICK TO DETERMINE THE WIDTH OF THE BED HUMPS:

In order to eventually measure the distance between the CT’s wheel wells (which is, in perspective, materially further back), we need a new measuring stick - the bed humps. (Which are evenly spaced in the truck, but appear to converge in the photo because of perspective.)

Our red line measuring stick in the photo above is placed over the centered humps of the bed (since the photo was taken from an angle, there is also distortion of “center” in the furthering field of the photo). That red line covers 11 bed humps. In other words, if the red light on the ground were picked up and placed in the bed, it would cover 11 bed bumps.

• USE 11 BED HUMPS TO ESTIMATE WIDTH BETWEEN WHEEL WELLS:

Because we’re really only trying to solve for the bed width in its narrowest portion (the back ~2/3rds), let’s look at the width of 11 bed humps in that narrowest section of the bed:

• EXTRAPOLATE TOTAL WIDTH BETWEEN WHEEL WELLS:

Now, because that yellow line above is what 36” looks like in the narrowest portion of the bed:

• if the bed is exactly 4’ wide total, we’d need to add another 12” to our yellow line above … which is adding another 33% of the length of the yellow line, which seems right but plausible​

• conversely, if instead we assume the CT’s distance between wheel wells is the same as the distance between wheel wells in an F150, 51”, we’d need to add another 15” or another 40% to the current yellow line - which is maybe possible, but begins to seem a stretch (or is it a squeeze?)​

• if we instead assume the distance between wheel wells is >61”, which is what you first conclude in your video, we’d need extend our 36” yellow line another 25” or another 70% to the length of the current yellow line. Not remotely correct.​

Which brings us back to the second issue with your methodology:

MISS-UNDERSTAND YOUR OWN CONCLUSION AND THE ‘PROBLEM’ BEING SOLVED FOR

When you arrived at the conclusion the CT bed between wheel wells was >61”, you should have realized your conclusion was nonsensical and so your methodology in error.

61” is the width of the widest part of an F150’s bed. That is, not between wheel wells. In effect, In trying to disprove that the CT’s between wheel well space was not so small as 4’, you wound up concluding instead that the CT’s distance between wheel wells was as wide as the widest portions of an F150 bed not at the wheel wells. Your conclusion was in effect that the CT was massive. Too massive for to be reasonable.

Looking over this error is probably because people are misunderstanding the actual “story” here.

Prior to these photos, people believed the CT bed would be wider than an F150 only insofar as early prototypes had no wheel wells. But these photos show not only does the CT have wheel wells, they run for what looks like the entire frontward 3/4+!of the bed length.

The CT needs only for it’s between wheel well space to be 4’3” to be on par with an F150’s between-wheel-well specs. People I think are incorrectly fretting over the idea that the CT could have a ~4’ bed between wheel wells, as that fact alone is somewhat uninteresting (or just confused) compared to the competitive specs of ~51” bed width between wheel wells in other 1/2 ton trucks. Between wheel wells, they’re probably about the same.

And 4’3” sounds a lot like “it’s 4’,” doesn’t it? If the Tesla employee manning the truck at investor day isn’t a truck person, he may not know that the difference between 4’ and 4’3” is material, functionally.

Instead, the bigger development is that the CT not only has wheel wells at all, it has them for upwards of 3/4 of the bed’s length. And that is a big swing from the early expectations that the CT would have no wheel wells, and so possibly have a 61” bed width the entire length of the bed. That’s a big swing in expectation.

Put differently, the story here is not that the CT has ~4’ between wheel wells (which is competitive with other 1/2 ton trucks at the wheel well), the story is that most of the CT bed has wheel well and so is “only ~4’ wide” for the majority of the bed length, rather than the expected class-shaking 61” inches wide the entirety of the bed length.

 

[WHIZZARD OF OZ]

Regarding bed width, can we extrapopate width from the neon light stick on the floor? I suspect these are purchased in a few standard sizes. 3', 4', 6'. Anybody have any thoughts on this

If we go with 3' light, that's a 4' 1" wide bed!
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[charliemagpie]

The bed is just shy of 5'

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