Musk talks Cybertruck specs (0-60, vehicle weight) & production volume on Joe Rogan podcast interview (10/31/23)

[Tinker71]

you're i think confusing options with truck weight

premium wheels, etc., and lots of other goodies can add up to 1000lbs quickly

The extra motor is only 150# or so. Batteries are probably 8.5# per kWhr at the pack level. So 745 extra for the Tri motor. WAG

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[Tinker71]

Where are the specs?

We won't see them until the delivery event. They will continue with the slow release hype build up.

 

[cvalue13]

The extra motor is only 150# or so. Batteries are probably 8.5# per kWhr at the pack level. So 745 extra for the Tri motor. WAG

you guys aren’t understanding musks comments

first, he’s stating a range in between which the vehicle’s fall. 6000 to 7000 pounds is the range in which the weight of both versions fall

Second, he’s saying that exactly where they fall in that range depends on what options you choose, not just trim level, but things like wheel sets, and racks and light bars, and other things that are options that are heavy.

 

[Diehard]

Elon must be “targeting“ a lot of fleet (law enforcement) customers with all these shootings at the door. Sub 3 sec 0-60 for an average truck driver is over kill but it can come in handy in a police chase. And he mentioned it again about police hiding behind the cars in the movies. A lot of government agencies are under pressure to be environmentally friendly and also to lower their operational cost by using electricity instead of gas. Those officers drive a lot more than an average white color dude working from home. And will have to replace CTs more often than an average owner. Granted a mini could be better in a downtown chase but anywhere else, wouldn’t you want one of these bad boys if you were an officer?

All that to say, Elon is no fool, he is making sure there is a lot of demand for years to come.

 

[GhostAndSkater]

If we assume a 500 mile tri motor is possible with 2376 cell (~208kWh usable ~2440lbs) @ a curb of 7000 that means the Cd is around 0.325-0.33. He also said its between 6000-7000k depending on configuration. If we shoot for a curb weight of ~6000lbs, that would result in a ~134 kWh usable pack (pack weight ~1625lbs).

We could see a ~356 dual motor and ~500 mile tri based on the physics and Elon's comments. This is with the assumption that the top model gets 500 miles.

The other option would be a 115kWh and 190 kWh with resulting 305mile dual and 455 mile tri.

These pack sizes would have to be about 75kWh usable difference or ~864 cells in order to get about a 1000 lb difference.

I'm betting way lower than that for 500 miles


Rivian recently released their Max Pack and in house dual motor drivetrain, in which they switched cells and have a total of 149 kWh and 410 miles of range.
363 Wh/mi or 2.75 mi/kWh

My previous estimation for Cybertruck based of upscaling a Model X was right at 350 Wh/mi or 2.85 mi/kWh from frontal area, drag coefficient and weight, maybe that isn't that far fetched or they can even beat it, considering everything points to Cybertruck being considerably lighter

One of my first estimations long ago was comparing the most efficient EVs from legacy OEMs in each class and seeing how much more efficient the Tesla equivalent was. The result was 8% more efficient without much variation

Let's say Tesla has been working all this time on it and they managed to make it 8% more efficient even than Rivian, which again, with all the talent and obsession they have isn't that hard to believe

This would mean 322 Wh/mi or 3.1 mi/kWh. 161 kWh pack for 500 miles of range, and with IRA manufacturing credits could mean a $8855 cell cost now and with the guidance for costs in the near future, $4025, absolutely mind-blowing if they get anywhere close to that. Even now that is cheaper than a Model S/X pack, which gives us hope for pricing

 

[Setok]

Driving north on i280 yesterday in my Model Y someone threw a pebble/rock and it cracked my windshield (about 10" long). This is the second time inside a year that I will have to replace the windshield. NOT happy with the Tesla glass as in the previous 40 years of driving around the U.S. I have never had a windshield crack. So yes, I hope that the Cybertruck glass is one helluva lot more impact resistant that what is on my Model Y.

I agree that Tesla windshields seem to be particularly susceptible. I’m not sure if it’s the angle or the glass itself, but I certainly experienced more cracking in the M3 than other vehicles.

 

[lowtek]

I don’t think the 0-60 time is that big a deal. It’s not necessary that a truck go that fast. 0-60 in 5 seconds for the dual motor would be amazing. I’m worried about huge vehicles that can move around with such quickness. We’re just asking for pedestrian deaths to rise, which are already way too high in the US.

Thanks, Dad. Now give me < 3s truck

 

[PilotPete]

Elon must be “targeting“ a lot of fleet (law enforcement) customers with all these shootings at the door. Sub 3 sec 0-60 for an average truck driver is over kill but it can come in handy in a police chase. And he mentioned it again about police hiding behind the cars in the movies. A lot of government agencies are under pressure to be environmentally friendly and also to lower their operational cost by using electricity instead of gas. Those officers drive a lot more than an average white color dude working from home.

Super hyped LE cars is a myth that is perpetuated by Hollywood. Car chases are few and far between, and as they say “you can’t outrun the radio!”. Needing a car that can tow or push a dead vehicle is needed far more often. So I think the CT rocks there. For the specialty units, I can see some amazing benefits with the vault. And the frunk is icing on the cake. Some areas are under pressure, others, not so much. But with the demand for the CT being what it is, I don’t see Tesla being able to fill those requests for some time.

That being said, I think the CT has a ton of benefits for LE.

 

[Rutrow]

*GVWR

? You're right... I've been talking/thinking towing so much lately that the "combined" thought is stuck in my head.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[HaulingAss]

Driving north on i280 yesterday in my Model Y someone threw a pebble/rock and it cracked my windshield (about 10" long). This is the second time inside a year that I will have to replace the windshield. NOT happy with the Tesla glass as in the previous 40 years of driving around the U.S. I have never had a windshield crack. So yes, I hope that the Cybertruck glass is one helluva lot more impact resistant that what is on my Model Y.

There is no such thing as "Tesla glass" because Tesla uses the same glass suppliers, and the same glass specs, other makes use.

We have three Model 3's, all over 5 years old and with over 190,000 miles on them without a broken windshield. Driving on the same roads, both our Volvo and our Mazda got cracked windshields in the first year, the Volvo broke that replacement windshield in less than a year. It's really luck of the draw, not "Tesla glass" or "Volvo glass" that is the determining factor.

That said, if Tesla equips the Cybertruck with "metal glass" AKA "armor glass", like Elon indicated, then we would have a stronger glass than that on any standard production vehicle that I'm aware of, and it would be far less likely to crack from normal road hazards.

 

[firsttruck]

I would interpret this as the glass will not stop a bullet, the same way the stainless steel panels did on the Tomi gun test

I don’t think the glass was ever promised to be bulletproof, but I may be wrong

Correct, not bulletproof. It was supposed to be crack-resistant Tesla "armoured glass" like at Cybertruck unveil and Tesla Semi unveil.

So will the 2024 Cybertruck still have crack-resistant Tesla "armoured glass" like at Cybertruck unveil and Tesla Semi unveil.?

Will bullet-resistant glass be a factory option?

 

[FutureBoy]

I don’t think the 0-60 time is that big a deal. It’s not necessary that a truck go that fast. 0-60 in 5 seconds for the dual motor would be amazing. I’m worried about huge vehicles that can move around with such quickness. We’re just asking for pedestrian deaths to rise, which are already way too high in the US.

So don't drive that fast. The amazing torque allows for some nice abilities. But you worry about pedestrians is getting addressed with FSD. Right now pedestrian deaths are very high and no one seems to mention it except on Halloween night when drivers are warned about the little trick-or-treaters. Without FSD there doesn't seem to be much that can be done to significantly lower pedestrian deaths. If so, I seriously doubt that the quick acceleration of a few CT vehicles is going to budge the statistics. By the time there are a significant number of CTs on the roads, FSD will be doing most of the driving for those CTs. And it won't be very many years past that when FSD will be mandated to drive so that pedestrian deaths can lower even further.

 

[Tinker71]

you guys aren’t understanding musks comments

first, he’s stating a range in between which the vehicle’s fall. 6000 to 7000 pounds is the range in which the weight of both versions fall

Second, he’s saying that exactly where they fall in that range depends on what options you choose, not just trim level, but things like wheel sets, and racks and light bars, and other things that are options that are heavy.

I understand perfectly. Light racks. Tire variation, roof racks etc might be.a couple hundred pounds all together. The spread is mostly batteries.

 

[firsttruck]

So don't drive that fast. The amazing torque allows for some nice abilities. But you worry about pedestrians is getting addressed with FSD. Right now pedestrian deaths are very high and no one seems to mention it except on Halloween night when drivers are warned about the little trick-or-treaters. Without FSD there doesn't seem to be much that can be done to significantly lower pedestrian deaths. If so, I seriously doubt that the quick acceleration of a few CT vehicles is going to budge the statistics. By the time there are a significant number of CTs on the roads, FSD will be doing most of the driving for those CTs. And it won't be very many years past that when FSD will be mandated to drive so that pedestrian deaths can lower even further.

Once FSD is complete, even if you don't buy FSD, all Tesla vehicles that include the standard Autopilot should have feature to track nearby pedestrians and detect any pedestrians that might venture in to path of vehicle and warn driver or automatically stop. Especially if vehicle is covered by Tesla vehicle insurance.

 

[JWass]

you're i think confusing options with truck weight

premium wheels, etc., and lots of other goodies can add up to 1000lbs quickly

That’s not the Tesla way. There are hardly any optional goodies between any models of any other vehicle they make. Options lead to variances in production line which lead to extra cost. They cut down or out options to keep production simple and quick.
Same will be with the CT. They’ll have battery and motor options between versions and that’s about it. Maybe a wheel or two.

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