Confirmed: 11,000 lbs tow rating / 2,500 lbs payload capacity (official specs)! + Shatter-resistant glass

[PilotPete]

I disagree with this characterization of 1/2 ton truck people reducing down to buying for the look, like jeeps


Super crew 1/2 tons, the vast majority of the retail market, are like any full sized SUV, but with a rear cargo hold that is open air, more “2nd row” room, and - if it’s useful - better hauling/payload

Do people buy full-sized SUVs “for the look”?

Yep! Of the 4 families I know with Suburbans/Yukon XLs, only 1 has a family that needs the 3rd row. My brother is a prime example. He likes the ”ride of the bigger car” with his Yukon XL. Now, is it as large a percentage as the truck segment? Probably not. And I didn’t say “ALL”, I said “the fat part of the bell curve”. Look at Dallas. You would think no dealer within 100 miles stocks anything but trucks. And they drive from the suburbs to the downtown office and back. I’ve been talking to dealers around wherever I happen to be overnighting when I have time to kill, and they agree with me overwhelmingly. That doesn’t make it a scientific or statistical fact. Look at the premium packages on these trucks, 90% of the features (not a scientific number) have nothing to do with being a truck! My parents had a 1500 4x4 (they lived in the mountains a mile off the pavement) and when it came time to replace it (with $5/gal gas here) they bought…. a Subaru. Look at all the 20-something’s and early 30-something’s that buy trucks and drop them or jack them up just for the looks. And holy cow, the ones that do some trailering obviously don’t do it very often (like once a year maybe). Don’t believe me, just hang out at the boat dock. 75% of the truck drivers are CLUELESS! My previous next door neighbors had an F250 dually. Did they do “truck stuff”? They had it slammed, an insane amount of chrome, and the largest thing they ever towed was a pair of wave runners. And they only bought the F250 because when they were looking, they couldn’t find an F150 dually.

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[intimidator]

Tesla won’t but as things stand, Ford, GM and RAM are going to blow themselves out of the water unless they can get their costs down.

Tesla can only build so many Cybertrucks in 2024 and 2025. And they are all pre-sold, so ICE pickup sales for Ford, GM and RAM won't be affected much. People can walk into a dealer today, and drive home a pickup tonight. Cybertruck, put in your reservation...and wait 3-4 years?

And yes, it is true, Tesla started working on EVs back in 2003. 5 years later, in 2008 Tesla released its first roadster. And all they worked on was EVs. Then 4 more years later, Tesla released the Model S in 2012. Now it is 11 more years later. All the while Tesla was working solely on EVs.

Legacy started tinkering with EVs, off on the side, just a few years ago, so it is absolutely true Tesla has a 15+ year head start. IMO It will take Legacy until 2028-2030 to have cost competitive EVs, including their pickups.

PS I own $TSLA. None of the others.

 

[Mini2nut]

I wonder if the 3rd party printing company messed up the exoskeleton wording.

Are these posters still on display?

 

[PilotPete]

F250 only comes in single rear. F350 you can buy as a single or dually. F450 dually only

Sorry, F350, you are correct.

 

[cvalue13]

Yep! Of the 4 families I know with Suburbans/Yukon XLs, only 1 has a family that needs the 3rd row. My brother is a prime example. He likes the ”ride of the bigger car” with his Yukon XL.

Then that’s exactly my point.

That is decidedly *unlike* sports cars and Jeeps.

People who buy 4-door jeeps with hard tops and doors they never take off, and don’t offroad, are purchasing “a look” - because that vehicle makes near zero sense otherwise. It’s noisy, has a near terrible ride, and worse interior room than comparable mid-sized SUVs, and is generally more expensive. Buying a Jeep as a daily driver with no intent of either off-roading or at least taking off the roof/top, reduces down to what you’re describing as a look.

The same goes, pretty straightforwardly, for real sports cars.


Contrast that to large SUVs and 1/2 ton super crews. They offer BOTH great daily driving comfort as well as added utility.

And then there’s your comment about large SUV’s and the third row: that these third rows tend to be largely useless and unused, is exactly why 1/2 ton super crew trucks make more sense for many. In exchange for that nearly useless 3rd row, they get more second row room, and more cargo area. My wife’s expedition is just as large as my Lightning, but relatively useless (for us) in terms of both interior comfort and utility.

When the whole family needs to go somewhere, we take my truck because it’s easier and more comfortable to load/unload 3 kids than an expedition. When I need to haul away this year’s spring cleaning garbage, it goes in the back of my truck, not her expedition. When I need to grab 3/4 tons of gravel for my garden, it sure isn’t going in the back of the Expedition. Headed to nursery for plants - my truck. Moving furniture - my truck. Renting trailered equipment for my landscaping - my truck. There’s not a single scenario of vehicle utility where we reach for my wife’s keys instead of my truck keys.

And if I regularly needed more lockable space, a nice tonneau or a fine topper are a ~$1,500 accessory. (We don’t, but some do).

All-in-all, you might disagree with whether people should want in a vehicle interior room, limousine-like room for 5 grown men, ride comfort, plus general utility in their vehicle. But they to me sound like just fundamental vehivle qualities and preferences. To reduce those fundamental things down to “the look” - as with a Jeep or sports car, neither of which offer near zero of these fundamental qualities - seems an error.

And for all these fundamental qualities, almost any full-sized SUV will be bested or equaled by any similarly-priced 1/2 ton super crew truck.

If anything, despite the trucks being better than SUVs, as many people choose full-sized SUVs to *avoid* “the look”/stigma of a pickup.


Which brings me to what seems the fundamental schizophrenia on this forum around this topic: simultaneously cheering on that Tesla is entering the 1/2 ton supercrew segment because it’s the best selling category in the US, while then bashing 1/2 ton trucks as not being “real trucks” being used for “real truck things.”

If folks wanted Tesla to enter a vehicle into the heart of the largest category in the U.S., that’s exactly what they’ve attempted here (though remains to be seen if they struck the right compromise in size, or price point).

Anecdotal views of “I spend a lot of time in RV parks and so I’m biased to think a lot of people RV” obviously fly in the face of Tesla’s intended TAM/SAM research and conclusions with this truck.

Tesla’s leading with *this exact configuration* because their TAM/SAM conclusions are at odds with those sorts of anecdotal musings.

If later Tesla wants to expand its TAM/SAM, then it has a platform to do so - and since 2019 has indicated it understands this potentiality of eventually offering an ‘HD’ version for the - statistically, undeniably - RARER sub-set of people who have 1/2 ton trucks and regularly tow heavy long distances.



All that said? Unlike traditional 1/2 ton trucks, with the Cybertruck you can be sure that MORE people will be buying it for “the look.”

 

[HaulingAss]

Been to an RV park in the last few years? Or a race track? Or a horse show with gooseneck horse trailers? It’s a great alternative to bumper pulling and quite maneuverable.

Yup. Lot's of 5th wheels, not many 1/2 ton trucks, mostly 3/4 ton-1 ton.

 

[HaulingAss]

What you talkin about Willis. Look at post 23

Congrats! I missed your post. I'm surprised more people are not questioning the source of the information!

Oh, wait, it looks like you edited your post after the fact!

 

[cvalue13]

I am not into “pulling things” but from my memory you are allowed to put on the tongue max 1/7th of the trailler; substracting that from 2500 lb max payload, substracting an engine ~ 250 lb (presuming a 2 engine truck), 2 passangers 200 lb each, there will be another 300 lb left for gear. From my experience with advertising in US, for a better understanding of the final product, you have to cut in half all the figures, so i think it is safe to say that the CB will be able to comfortable pull a trailler ~5500 lb with a range of 250 miles.

max tongue of the truck is 1,100lb

 

[Coolbreeze704]

Congrats! I missed your post. I'm surprised more people are not questioning the source of the information!

Oh, wait, it looks like you edited your post after the fact!

 

[C T Rick]

I can't believe I read this entire thread and not one person questioned the veracity of the information someone posted outside the delivery center.

Specifically, I haven't seen a shred of evidence that it was posted by Tesla. I have serious doubts.

Actually I personally spoke to a Tesla Phone rep last night trying to find out if my local store has a CT on display. He said not yet, But San Diego does. Turns out my call was rerouted to a phone center in San Diego and this rep works in San Diego. Yes, the sign is legit as he’s got it in his store. We spoke for 15 minutes about all sorts of things. Asked him if he’s spoken to anyone going to the Big Reveal party. He said no he hasn’t. I said now you have?.

I’m going to stop by on Wednesday to my local store, as I know it’s a very large volume showroom. Not sure why they would pass up that showroom where I put my deposit in exactly 4 years ago this Friday / Black Friday.

Rick

 

[CyberGus]

If anything, despite the trucks being better than SUVs, as many people choose full-sized SUVs to *avoid* “the look”/stigma of a pickup.

...All that said? Unlike traditional 1/2 ton trucks, with the Cybertruck you can be sure that MORE people will be buying it for “the look.”

The first time I drove a pickup it was borrowed from a friend. I was startled to see that all the truck drivers of the same brand waved, while icy glares greeted me otherwise.

It's definitely a lifestyle.

 

[cvalue13]

The first time I drove a pickup it was borrowed from a friend. I was startled to see that all the truck drivers of the same brand waved, while icy glares greeted me otherwise.

It's definitely a lifestyle.

yes, and in the lightning, I can chuckle at people in ICE sedans or minivans who seem to think I’m in a “gas-guzzling” truck

I’m rolling on my solar panel output, with three full-sized car seats of kids in back, and a bed full of last year’s Christmas presents (headed to donation), and can still out-accelerate almost any sedan.

that’s where the Cybertruck is targeted

 

[lowtek]

The difference is likely just the weight difference between the default Two Motor version and what options/trim you choose.

So for example if you choose a Tri-Motor Performance version the difference in weight for the motors/wheels/options would be subtracted from the 2500 lb payload to get your new payload number.

So if the motors plus wheels add another 250 lbs it would be 2250, ect.

And any extra battery capacity ... but a 2.x second truck would be a lot of fun to own

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